Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

[LostDoggy]

Re: Stats confidential: Western Bulldogs desperately need a gun forward

Time to start looking at our own. Just keep trying Minson, Roughy, Campbell, Cordy in there until something clicks.

I think Minson has been tried to death. He is never going to be a forward, no matter how much you shove the square peg in it just doesn't fit.

I hope we stick to picking up young players in the draft and developing our own.

So do I, but we have a certain window to do that — which luckily is now! Once the rest of our list is in another position to have a tilt, we may need to bring in that forward to get us over the line, much in the same way as Jolly or Ball.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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I know everyone loves Panos but the reality is he is right in the gun for delisting

[Eastdog]

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I know everyone loves Panos but the reality is he is right in the gun for delisting

Yeah there weren't to many positives on the weekend for Williamstown. Panos I was ordinary according to what people said from that match. Disappointing after everyone was looking forward to seeing him play in the Seniors.

[LostDoggy]

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General Mac and the coaching staff are fully and completely aware that our forward line is inexperienced and undermanned , right from the start when he began to mould the game plan going into season 2012 General Mac knew that the oversize midfield part of the game plan would have to score 2/3rds of the goals and the final 1/3 from defenders moving forward , the rotating ruckman and the two forwards
By having this mindset right from the pre-season the players knew what was expected from them and that it would take time to build momentum before the game plan could be fluid and dynamic over four quarters
The one balancing point is that the oversize midfield must push forward to the 50m arc and make a decision to either hit a target or kick the goal , given that the game plan only uses two forwards the decision first and foremost should be to kick the goal
Now in order for the oversize midfield to push forward to be in a position to make a decision to score or hit a target everything goes back to the core of the game plan , win the ball at any cost , protect the ball carrier , protect the zones , use numbers behind the ball to spread and stretch the opposition zones , attack with numbers any gaps in the opposition zones
By understanding General Mac's and the coaching staffs objectives we clearly see that by building this game plan for 2012 they have taken into account the inexperienced and undermanned forward line as they try to make the team a cohesive and flexible unit , and that it requires a full rebuild of the team work ethic
Our current list may be short of one or two experienced tall forwards but General Mac and the coaching staff know development takes time , knowledge takes time , and rebuilding takes time , and that the time would be well spent if by the end of season 2012 our development of our young forwards was a bonus on top of the teams development

Interesting reading. How do you know this Westdog?

http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/westernbulldogsnewsfeatures/newsarticle/tabid/4112/newsid/135271/default.aspx

And remember I posted what I said yesterday before the article was posted

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[Ghost Dog]

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I think Minson has been tried to death. He is never going to be a forward, no matter how much you shove the square peg in it just doesn't fit.



So do I, but we have a certain window to do that — which luckily is now! Once the rest of our list is in another position to have a tilt, we may need to bring in that forward to get us over the line, much in the same way as Jolly or Ball.

Now and then, it has worked.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I know everyone loves Panos but the reality is he is right in the gun for delisting

I disagree.

He's still pretty young and they are trying to develop a well rounded game. It's obvious he has talent, but he has areas of his game that he will need to improve if he is to make it as a key defender or a key forward.

Should get 2013 too, particularly when you consider how many years we have given to our other talls.

Walsh, Wiggins, Skipper, Mulligan, Wight and even Cordy have been given ample time to show something. I don't see why Panos would be any different, particularly when on talent alone he is ahead of a few of those guys.

[LongWait]

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Yeah there weren't to many positives on the weekend for Williamstown. Panos I was ordinary according to what people said from that match. Disappointing after everyone was looking forward to seeing him play in the Seniors.

I agree Eastdog, however I'd ask that you remember that Panos was All Australian as an 18 year old and was bloody good for Willi in a losing Grand Final when he was still one of the youngest players on either team.

I'd be disappointed if we were looking to delist Panos at years' end. It seems from the recent article that Bornadog posted that the coach has identified Panos' deficiencies and the club (and Williamstown) are prepared to give him the experiences up the ground and in defence so that he understands and practices the things the coach expects of him. We all know he can kick the bloody thing. Unfortunately that is not enough in the modern game (it's a bloody good start though!)

[Eastdog]

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I agree Eastdog, however I'd ask that you remember that Panos was All Australian as an 18 year old and was bloody good for Willi in a losing Grand Final when he was still one of the youngest players on either team.

I'd be disappointed if we were looking to delist Panos at years' end. It seems from the recent article that Bornadog posted that the coach has identified Panos' deficiencies and the club (and Williamstown) are prepared to give him the experiences up the ground and in defence so that he understands and practices the things the coach expects of him. We all know he can kick the bloody thing. Unfortunately that is not enough in the modern game (it's a bloody good start though!)

I think like with Jones we have persist with Panos as well. There both still young. Jones we have gone on and on about has lots of potential he needs to improve his kicking game.

[BulldogBelle]

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I agree Eastdog, however I'd ask that you remember that Panos was All Australian as an 18 year old and was bloody good for Willi in a losing Grand Final when he was still one of the youngest players on either team.

I'd be disappointed if we were looking to delist Panos at years' end. It seems from the recent article that Bornadog posted that the coach has identified Panos' deficiencies and the club (and Williamstown) are prepared to give him the experiences up the ground and in defence so that he understands and practices the things the coach expects of him. We all know he can kick the bloody thing. Unfortunately that is not enough in the modern game (it's a bloody good start though!)

We have kept Muli-grub on our list for 4 years?

[LongWait]

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I think like with Jones we have persist with Panos as well. There both still young. Jones we have gone on and on about has lots of potential he needs to improve his kicking game.

If only we could find a way to combine the fast moving, contested marking Jones with the deadly accurate Panos to create the perfect power forward!!!!

[Eastdog]

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If only we could find a way to combine the fast moving, contested marking Jones with the deadly accurate Panos to create the perfect power forward!!!!

That would be good.

[Maddog37]

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http://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/we...1/default.aspx


And remember I posted what I said yesterday before the article was posted

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I appreciate that but was wondering how you came to those conclusions?

[LostDoggy]

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I appreciate that but was wondering how you came to those conclusions?

There are no conclusions , none whatsoever , this is the first season under General Mac , we are still in the first stage after the pre-season, to presume that I have come to a series of conclusions means that you presume that the process is being concluded , just for your own benefit review the pre-season and NAB Cup games and the Rounds so far and chronologically arrange the progress of the team and the game plan on an individual and team basis along with the press statements from the Club and General Mac , and you will be all to aware that my post would be the mirror image of your review , basically my post was three months of compressed hard data

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[LostDoggy]

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Walsh, Wiggins, Skipper, Mulligan, Wight and even Cordy have been given ample time to show something. I don't see why Panos would be any different, particularly when on talent alone he is ahead of a few of those guys.

I must disagree on Cordy, though you're bang on the buck with the rest you named. Cordy's had some injury setbacks and he was always going to take years to get the right type of body, with or without the injuries. He has shown many glimpses this season that he's going to be a very good player for us when he's a few years further down the track.

If only we could find a way to combine the fast moving, contested marking Jones with the deadly accurate Panos to create the perfect power forward!!!!

The Frankenforward!

[G-Mo77]

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If only we could find a way to combine the fast moving, contested marking Jones with the deadly accurate Panos to create the perfect power forward!!!!

Haha. Love it!

I've not given up on Panos yet. He's had a few set backs so far this year and think he'll get some time at senior level at some stage.