Jason McCartney's View On Drafting Etc...

[mjp]

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2./ I'm sure most of those guys are simply repeating what they have heard, but considering they are not privvy to personal stuff (like xxxxx is too much of a dickhead to draft) for the most part the phantom drafts are fairly accurate.

The order? I guess - but that is still just consensus stuff. Or, maybe the views on the TAC Cup kids are OK but the WA/SA stuff is complete and utter dribble. Then again, having watched both the Vic Country + Vic Metro games from last week I swear no-one who has reported on the games actually looked at more than the stats sheet...

As for the 'too much of a dickhead' - if you are a good enough player you are a good enough bloke - after all, 'We have a very strong leadership group...' blah blah blah.

[Remi Moses]

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1/.I don't think fans are any savvier now than they ever were. You still hear the cries of frustration whenever the ball is kicked backwards or sideways to avoid kicking to a contest...those same people groan again when the ball is finally kicked to a contest and the opposition mark it. As for list management etc, there are a couple of simple rules most fans follow:
- Young kids are 'better' than old heads (because they haven't set high expectations through consistent positive performance yet).
- Injured players become better and more important to the side with every week they are out.

2/.99% of stuff on the draft boards is complete rubbish. The closer I get to it all - and I am up to my neck these days - the more I realise that the number of people who post who actually WATCH the players is minimal...the posts are a combination of bs and hearsay. And yes, I am talking about some of the more 'respected' posters out there.

Most people leave their brains in the glovebox when they go to the footy.
Nearly all of us are blindsided because we don't watch any games

[Remi Moses]

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The order? I guess - but that is still just consensus stuff. Or, maybe the views on the TAC Cup kids are OK but the WA/SA stuff is complete and utter dribble. Then again, having watched both the Vic Country + Vic Metro games from last week I swear no-one who has reported on the games actually looked at more than the stats sheet...

As for the 'too much of a dickhead' - if you are a good enough player you are a good enough bloke - after all, 'We have a very strong leadership group...' blah blah blah.

Thoughts on Kevin Sheehan MJP?

[Bulldog4life]

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1/.I don't think fans are any savvier now than they ever were. You still hear the cries of frustration whenever the ball is kicked backwards or sideways to avoid kicking to a contest...those same people groan again when the ball is finally kicked to a contest and the opposition mark it. As for list management etc, there are a couple of simple rules most fans follow:
- Young kids are 'better' than old heads (because they haven't set high expectations through consistent positive performance yet).
- Injured players become better and more important to the side with every week they are out.

2/.99% of stuff on the draft boards is complete rubbish. The closer I get to it all - and I am up to my neck these days - the more I realise that the number of people who post who actually WATCH the players is minimal...the posts are a combination of bs and hearsay. And yes, I am talking about some of the more 'respected' posters out there.

Maybe but personally I love reading what other poster's opinions are about certain players. Irrespective if they are 100% correct or way off. I enjoy the diversity. That's what keeps this forum going. Like a recipe. A bit of bs, a bit of hearsay and a bit of knowledge. We don't want this forum to become a vehicle for those that are just "in the know" surely.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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Maybe but personally I love reading what other poster's opinions are about certain players. Irrespective if they are 100% correct or way off. I enjoy the diversity. That's what keeps this forum going. Like a recipe. A bit of bs, a bit of hearsay and a bit of knowledge. We don't want this forum to become a vehicle for those that are just "in the know" surely.

I don't think mjp was referring to this forum.

[jeemak]

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Really enjoying your contribution jeemak (what's that username from btw?)

Bartel and Crossy are also great overhead marks, and Bartel in particular isn't particularly huge. Judd's bad shoulders probably has a bit to do with his overhead ability.. wasn't a bad mark as a junior.

Thanks, and likewise.

The username is just a different way of spelling my nickname. How bland is that?

Agree with Judd. I really think overhead marking is an underrated quality in midfielders.

[Bulldog4life]

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I don't think mjp was referring to this forum.

2/.99% of stuff on the draft boards is complete rubbish. The closer I get to it all - and I am up to my neck these days - the more I realise that the number of people who post who actually WATCH the players is minimal...the posts are a combination of bs and hearsay. And yes, I am talking about some of the more 'respected' posters out there.

Hmmm...Well maybe MJP can tell us if the respected posters are on this forum or not.

[LongWait]

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Hmmm...Well maybe MJP can tell us if the respected posters are on this forum or not.

Relax B4L - I'm pretty sure you'll find the people MJP is referring to feature prominently on the BigFooty Draft and Trading Board, not on WOOF.

[Bulldog4life]

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Relax B4L - I'm pretty sure you'll find the people MJP is referring to feature prominently on the BigFooty Draft and Trading Board, not on WOOF.

I am very relaxed but thanks for your concern. If Mjp had written it the way you have it would have been much clearer.

[mjp]

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What LW said but I never mention other forums.

[Bulldog4life]

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What LW said but I never mention other forums.

Thanks for clearing that up for me mjp.

[mjp]

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No worries...that said, I DONT like arguing about players who have opinions based on 'a bit of BS' and 'a bit of hearsay'. I am all for debates, but do get annoyed when people are passionately debating something they clearly didn't have the passion to actually do the work on...

[LongWait]

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@ MJP: Is it too early for you to throw up a list of potentials that you think we might be looking at?

[LostDoggy]

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Spot on ^^^
Ninth is no mans land . Majority of fans these days are Savvy enough to realise teams need to rebuild . You only have to take a peek at the Draft Boards to realise the importance with pages and pages on potential prospects.

Ninth, yes. But I would far rather a season (or several seasons) where we finish 5th-8th, than several seasons where we finish in the bottom four. The bottom four sounds enticing from a drafting perspective, but it's fool's gold. We've messed up picks as high as 5, so it's no guarantee in any case, but worse, a season in the bottom 4 means a whole season of games like the games we played against Sydney and St. Kilda, and that would be a worse trade-off than any high draft pick, and would probably create a culture of failure that we would take 2 decades to climb out of.

I know West Coast and Hawthorn and Collingwood have dropped down the ladder recently to get early picks, but those are big clubs with big followings and lots of money, and more importantly, a culture of success. For teams with less of a track record, like Melbourne, staying in the bottom 4 is a recipe for long-term dysfunction, not a quick bounce back.

[LongWait]

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Ninth, yes. But I would far rather a season (or several seasons) where we finish 5th-8th, than several seasons where we finish in the bottom four. The bottom four sounds enticing from a drafting perspective, but it's fool's gold. We've messed up picks as high as 5, so it's no guarantee in any case, but worse, a season in the bottom 4 means a whole season of games like the games we played against Sydney and St. Kilda, and that would be a worse trade-off than any high draft pick, and would probably create a culture of failure that we would take 2 decades to climb out of.

I know West Coast and Hawthorn and Collingwood have dropped down the ladder recently to get early picks, but those are big clubs with big followings and lots of money, and more importantly, a culture of success. For teams with less of a track record, like Melbourne, staying in the bottom 4 is a recipe for long-term dysfunction, not a quick bounce back.

I agree with you completely Lantern - if we are absolutely desperate for a pick in the top half dozen and we finish too high to naturally get it, we should be prepared to trade picks or players to upgrade. Tanking is unthinkable for a club such as ours (although experimenting and getting games into young players is not.)