Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

[LostDoggy]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Well first thing's first. We looked very slow. So coaching is not going to help with that.

If selection is part of the coaches role then there are to blame.
Continually picking 3 giants and stacking the forward line with talls and slows.

[ledge]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

It seems to me we get the ball as much as our opponents but Macca has no idea on a forward plan, it just goes in all willy nilly, no good playing talls if your going to ask them to lead and then kick it to the opposition.
Blokes like Cordy should just be doing light leads and the ball put above the head, at the moment he is leading hard to a ball coming in at knee or chest height, might as well be a medium size forward.

Message to Macca get the forward line functioning ASAP and we will look a real threat.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

It's Maccas first year and it'd hard to pass judgment so soon. This year could be for him, finding out about his players and what they can and can't do.
The interesting thing will be to see how we stack up in two more seasons. Who is still on the list and who is not.
At the end of this season the interest will be who gets drafted and who gets cut (barring contract obligations).
It's is his first year and first time in the big league and he may not make it but you have to give him a chance. We had Rocket at the helm for a fair amount of time in footy terms and he develop a lot of our players from start so it will take them time to adjust to what the new coach wants. So I would give them this season for adjustment but there should be a big difference next season.

As it has been said, there will be some short term pain for so long term gain. (I hope)

[Desipura]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Whats the fascination with the leadership group?

I think the current leadership does not offer us what we need, to stand up when the chips are down.
The players I mentioned have from what I can see a professional attitude mixed with some untapped natural ability, they are not just battlers.

[Desipura]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

We don't have. FWIW, I don't rate Shannon Grant, Montgomery or King.

Based on what? Grant has recruited Dickson and Campbell who have at leat showed some promise. It's not as if we paid a heavy price for these 2 recruits.

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

I think the current leadership does not offer us what we need, to stand up when the chips are down.
The players I mentioned have from what I can see a professional attitude mixed with some untapped natural ability, they are not just battlers.

Nor are they leaders. In time for sure but not now. Chucking people into the deep end isn't the answer although I know a lot of fans respond well to token gestures.

Leadership is not just confined to the on field endeavours either.

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Based on what? Grant has recruited Dickson and Campbell who have at leat showed some promise. It's not as if we paid a heavy price for these 2 recruits.

We are talking about Grant as a coach not a recruiter.
I don't believe Grant nor King exhibit on the type of character we want in coaches and when I have seen them at VFL games they clearly aren't focused on the game. I don't think they have yet made the transition from player to genuine coaches and are at best career assistant coaches. We should want better than that.
Montgomery just hasn't added a lot to us.

[SonofScray]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

We are talking about Grant as a coach not a recruiter.
I don't believe Grant nor King exhibit on the type of character we want in coaches and when I have seen them at VFL games they clearly aren't focused on the game. I don't think they have yet made the transition from player to genuine coaches and are at best career assistant coaches. We should want better than that.
Montgomery just hasn't added a lot to us.

What are they doing? Checking out the WAGs and having a laugh?

[GVGjr]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

What are they doing? Checking out the WAGs and having a laugh?

Having a chat and catching up with mates.

[1eyedog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

It seems to me we get the ball as much as our opponents but Macca has no idea on a forward plan, it just goes in all willy nilly, no good playing talls if your going to ask them to lead and then kick it to the opposition.
Blokes like Cordy should just be doing light leads and the ball put above the head, at the moment he is leading hard to a ball coming in at knee or chest height, might as well be a medium size forward.

Message to Macca get the forward line functioning ASAP and we will look a real threat.

Yes and this is where we are 2-3 years off. It will not function with Gia or Higgins in it, Cordy needs further development and so do Jones and Roughead, although I feel Jones could just 'click' one year like Jack Riewoldt did. Grant needs another year to develop his positioning and size but he is much closer than the former players I mentioned, Dickson is a mediocre mid-sized forward and cannot be expected to kick 3 goals every week. Who's left? ASAP is 2-3 years away or about 50-60 games away for each of our tall forwards (at least).

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Having a chat and catching up with mates.

GVG which game / date did you observe this? I would like to note this for future reference.

[1eyedog]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

We are talking about Grant as a coach not a recruiter.
I don't believe Grant nor King exhibit on the type of character we want in coaches and when I have seen them at VFL games they clearly aren't focused on the game. I don't think they have yet made the transition from player to genuine coaches and are at best career assistant coaches. We should want better than that.
Montgomery just hasn't added a lot to us.

Wow that's pretty concerning.

[SonofScray]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Having a chat and catching up with mates.

Not surprised. Both come across as 'lads' rather than leaders. Not a reflection of my view on their coaching, just an observation on their personalities.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

I was a quarter way through writing up a detailed post, but I stopped and deleted it. I don't have the energy for it, but I'll sum up my concerns:

1) The playing list is in a bad shape. Older players are either finished or close to it and we have few consistent young players. Libba, Wallis, Dahlhaus and Roughead have been solid whilst Cordy/Jones show signs at times. Howard and Tutt have been massive disappointments whilst Grant, Sherman and Veszpremi aren't living up to their potential. We have little to no pace on our list. We have quite a few talls, but none look like a certainty to make it.

2) Recruiting department. See above. Howard/Tutt selections look worse by the day. List management could be thrown into this section too. Addison getting a two year contract is ridiculous.

Interesting detailed post BB. I think you might have been a bit tough on Tutt. Played well at the end of last year then this year has been injured for most of the time. To early to tell whether it was a wasted pick in my opinion.

[always right]

Re: Game Day 2012 - R14 Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Wow that's pretty concerning.

If accurate