Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

[Sedat]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Marmo:

4. Dahlhaus
3. Minson
2. Liberatore
1. Dickson (little more than an encouragement award - our top 3 were the best by a street)

James:

2. Dahlhaus
1. Liberatore

[Remi Moses]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

4. Dal
3. Boyd
2. Minson
1. Libba

Boyd's direct opponent had 14 I repeat 14 touches in the first term!:

3. Dahlhaus
2. Minson
1. Libba

2. Dahlhaus
1. Libba

[Remi Moses]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Struggle to get 4 players
4. Dahl
3. Minson
2. Libba
1. Smith ( very good third term)

[Remi Moses]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

It can mean several things, and you know it.
How many of his effective possessions were little dinky passes or little give and go handballs that weren't damaging, but do inflate his effectiveness %.
Compare that against how many times he had the ball as I stated I observed, where in the clear and under little or no pressure he was unable to hit a target, or not put it to our scoring advantage, or worse, actually ended up in a turnover that Essendon scored from.
Stats are silly things unless they are broken down.

Great point as it doesn't give an accurate account.
I really like Matty Boyd but he's not elite because he turns it over to often,and just doesn't hit the scoreboard enough. ( blazes to often)

[LostDoggy]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Very chilled, maybe slightly drunk. Just find it hard to believe that anyone could consider that Boyd was not in our best tonight. People jump on here every week criticising his disposal efficiency and when he does well on that score, they question what it means.

Anyhoo, it's bedtime and we've got bigger problems than Boydy. At least we know what we get with him each week.

I was slightly drunk last night and I didn't have him in my best.
He gave away more than he created, did nothing on the defensive end, showed nothing leadership wise. Yes you have to be good to get into a position to get he ball, but then what? 3m hand passes, chip kick to no real advantage and the patent Boyd blind sideways 40m snap kick out of the pack kick and hope.
I love Boyd, but he is one of those players that makes a good team great or a bad team terrible.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

4. Minson
3. Dahlhaus
2. Libba
1. Smith

2. Dahlhaus
1. Libba

[Bumper Bulldogs]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

4. Libba
3. Dahlhous
2. Minson
1. Smith

2. Libba
1. Dahlhaus

the future is looking Good, but short term we have nothing to look forward to.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

4. Dahlhaus
3. Minson
2. Libba
1. Smith

2. Dahlhaus
1. Libba

[always right]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Exactly, so kick long to the advantage of the opposition in a contest and despite it resulting in a turnover you still get credited with an effective kick. That is the definition of Boyd, effective on the stat sheet, a liability as a ball user. 74% efficiency yet virtually nothing effective.

I'm not arguing that he is a great ball user but you're saying that a kick to a 50/50 contest that results in the opposition winning the contest should not be classified as an effective kick? Really?

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

I was slightly drunk last night and I didn't have him in my best.
He gave away more than he created, did nothing on the defensive end, showed nothing leadership wise. Yes you have to be good to get into a position to get he ball, but then what? 3m hand passes, chip kick to no real advantage and the patent Boyd blind sideways 40m snap kick out of the pack kick and hope.
I love Boyd, but he is one of those players that makes a good team great or a bad team terrible.

He had a shot on goal or two from memory. As some have noted, when you go to the ground, you do appreciate what he brings. More of a 'foundation' player IMO who supports a heap of good outsiders. Very important. Definitely not a ' finisher'. As noted, in a team with a few better scorers and penetrating kickers he would be a gem. Like Luke Ball, just a hard warrior. In a slow team, he can at times panic and overcompensate, with rushed kicks across the body that seem to go nowhere. Not the only senior player capable of that last night.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

Marmo:

4. Dahlhaus
3. Minson
2. Liberatore
1. Dickson (little more than an encouragement award - our top 3 were the best by a street)

James:

2. Dahlhaus
1. Liberatore

How did you rate Campbell's game Sedat?

[Greystache]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

I'm not arguing that he is a great ball user but you're saying that a kick to a 50/50 contest that results in the opposition winning the contest should not be classified as an effective kick? Really?

You think a kick that results in a turnover should? Really?

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

4. Dahlhaus
3. Minson
2. Libba
1. Smith

2. Dahlhaus
1. Libba

[G-Mo77]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

4. Libba
3. Minson
2. Dahlhaus
1. Boyd

2. Libba
1. Dahlhaus

In regards to the Boyd debate, the ones bagging him for poor ball usage usually give Griffen votes all the time so it's a bit hypocritical. I couldn't believe so many gave Griff best on honors last week after turning over nearly half of his 20 odd possessions.

[always right]

Re: Woof Player Awards Rnd 14 - Western Bulldogs vs Essendon

You think a kick that results in a turnover should? Really?

My point is in regard to what constitutes a turnover. I consider it to be when the ball is kicked to the opposition's advantage. If the ball goes to a 50/50 contest and the opposition player simply outplays our player, should that be considered a turnover and blamed on the kicker? If so, we are going to see a hell of a lot of elite players record drastically reduced disposal efficiency.