Did we err in our pre-season training?

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

They just do the necessary work. The sort of work our boys did during the most recent pre-season and will continue to do. To compare the Eagles of 15 years ago to the current bunch is to draw the longest imaginable bow. Worsfold has presided over a complete cultural change.

The AFL drug testing regime is comprehensive; individuals who use banned substances will be found out, to think that a whole team, or a significant part of one, would be using banned substances is laughable. This spells it out -http://aflpa.com.au/news/post/fact_sheet_wada_and_illicit_drug_policy_idp/

The simple fact is that to win games you need big, strong bodies. We have a list full of (mainly) skinny kids with underdeveloped motors. We have to build them up. Until we do we won't be competitive,in the second half of games, and especially in the second half of the year.

You also need talent which we do not have enough of at the moment. You could make a good case for dropping at least 6 players from our performance against St. Kilda, which simply means that until we are able to rebuild our list you can expect to see more of the big blow outs in losses that is now becoming a regular feature of our games.

[Eastdog]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

You also need talent which we do not have enough of at the moment. You could make a good case for dropping at least 6 players from our performance against St. Kilda, which simply means that until we are able to rebuild our list you can expect to see more of the big blow outs in losses that is now becoming a regular feature of our games.

Who would you say should come in? Im thinking some of those kids should get a go to give them a little taste of senior footy.

[Bornadog]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

To get back on topic, my opinion is that no, we did not err in our pre-season training. This year. In years past, probably yes. I would like to have see some of our blokes with more meat on them coming into this year. How much have the likes of Grant, Rough and Ayce put on this year compared to the year(s) before? More, I reckon. And they'll work hard on it again this coming pre-season.

They put on more meat because as their bodies mature they do anyway. We are trying to excelerate it but is this to the detriment of other aspects of being a footballer? Ayce actually put on lots of weight in 2010 (could be 2011) and he slowed down, and wasn't very agile, and then he had to lose weight. We need core strength not big bodies. In regards to previous seasons we were one of the fittest and always ran out games due to that.

[LostDoggy]

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I try to stay up with all the goss, but I'm struggling with the current WCE player who was an addict. Who is it?

I meant current at that time of the event. Even if he is no longer there the current group are very close and still hold him in high regard.

The AFL/WADA process isn't propaganda, it is a well-designed program that does better than most others.

Might be well designed but the drug cheats still prosper. Pretty naive to think there are none in the afl or let alone club where rec drugs were a problem.

Factoid - the AFL has a 'three strikes' policy. Nobody has yet struck out.

Incorrect sorry. Travis Tuck. Even the afl has admitted that the 3 strike policy isn't really the last strike.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/afl/now-its-four-strikes-for-afl-drug-users/story-e6frf9ix-1225868871780

[LostDoggy]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

Travis Tuck! Perfectly correct. My bad.

I'm just really struggling with the idea that the AFL or even one club is riddled with drug cheats, and that's the reason that they have big bodies. If the Weagles have been on the juice all this time, as suggested, why did they drop away to the bottom like they did?

I may well be naive, but what more can we do to ensure that we don't have an East Germany in the AFL? I prefer to believe that we don't, or more correctly, that if we did we no longer do, and that the best way to win games and climb the ladder is to do it the old fashioned way - build big bodies in the gym and on the track (and draft talent, NBP!)

[Sockeye Salmon]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

Travis Tuck! Perfectly correct. My bad.

I'm just really struggling with the idea that the AFL or even one club is riddled with drug cheats, and that's the reason that they have big bodies. If the Weagles have been on the juice all this time, as suggested, why did they drop away to the bottom like they did?

I may well be naive, but what more can we do to ensure that we don't have an East Germany in the AFL? I prefer to believe that we don't, or more correctly, that if we did we no longer do, and that the best way to win games and climb the ladder is to do it the old fashioned way - build big bodies in the gym and on the track (and draft talent, NBP!)

It was fairly well accepted that the Eagles wee on the juice when they first entered the AFL in 87. It was how they got their WAFL players big enough quick enough.

Their fitness advisor at the time was the bloke coaching Dean Capobianco

[The Underdog]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

So the general consensus is that we erred in the pre-season by not taking steroids to get the players bigger quicker? Sure we'd be cheats but we'd be killing the contested possessions

[Maddog37]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

If you think players are not using human growth hormone or removing their own blood and turbo charging it with their own stem cells etc etc then you are naive. Clubs that have the budget will leave no stone unturned. Alot of the medical treatments becoming available are so new that they are not even ruled on yet.

Call me paranoid but if it works, it is not illegal and is available do you think a club like Collingwood would not do it?

I have no idea other than what I read and see in the general media etc but it would not surprise me at all

.http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/...49%7C%7C%7C%7C

[AndrewP6]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

So the general consensus is that we erred in the pre-season by not taking steroids to get the players bigger quicker? Sure we'd be cheats but we'd be killing the contested possessions

We were doing that and it got us nowhere!

[Mofra]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

I'm just really struggling with the idea that the AFL or even one club is riddled with drug cheats, and that's the reason that they have big bodies. If the Weagles have been on the juice all this time, as suggested, why did they drop away to the bottom like they did?

WCE have received the prioity pick 3 times - twice, they made the finals the following year.
Luckily, tanking doesn't exist

[LostDoggy]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

WCE have received the prioity pick 3 times - twice, they made the finals the following year.
Luckily, tanking doesn't exist

Yeah - snagging picks 18 (Shuey 08) and 26 (Darling 10) are sure to get you playing finals the next year. Those skinny 18 year olds really make a difference, dont they.

[Mofra]

Re: Did we err in our pre-season training?

Yeah - snagging picks 18 (Shuey 08) and 26 (Darling 10) are sure to get you playing finals the next year. Those skinny 18 year olds really make a difference, dont they.

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