Our abysmal draft record; The Roar

[westdog54]

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Enjoyed reading your posts Guido.

As have I.

Good to see you on here, Guido. Its been a long time since RecFooty.

[LostDoggy]

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This is the most ridiculous of comments and another gross over exaggeration from you.
Don't bother contributing to discussions if this is what you are offering.

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If I had started with 'character assassination' I would agree with you but someone else did that for me.
Fact is one person was made to pay for failure and the others are still there.

[GVGjr]

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If I had started with 'character assassination' I would agree with you but someone else did that for me.
Fact is one person was made to pay for failure and the others are still there.

I can't make this any clearer to you but you need to stop posting the exaggerated comments to make your points. Also don't blame others because you choose to copy those words and phrases.
The fact is Rocket was not assassinated by the club, he simply didn't get his contract renewed.

Let is go and get back to talking about the draft performance.

[MrMahatma]

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Good call re: development. Very much a big part of the picture.

[EasternWest]

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I look at players like Luke Hodge and Joel Selwood and wish they were bulldogs. They are leaders of men and we have no-one comporable on our list. Not only are they they the types of guys who pick teams and games up and bend them the way they want them to turn out, they will let a teammate know that an effort wasnt acceptable, disposals that miss their target arent good enough. They put themselves on the spot for their team and the club they play for are all the better for it.

Whilst I agree with this post, I find it interesting that a few of our leaders are lambasted by posters on this board for doing just what I highlighted above.

Higgins in particular gets singled out for finger pointing etc. Gia has copped it a bit too.

Perhaps Hodge and Selwood and the like earn the right to do these things by their "picking teams and games up", whereas our leaders get accused of not doing one thing while happily doing the other.

EDIT: I'm not casting aspersions on our leaders, I just think Hodge and Selwood types are in a different echelon to Boyd et al.

[Sockeye Salmon]

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This is the most ridiculous of comments and another gross over exaggeration from you.
Don't bother contributing to discussions if this is what you are offering.

What a disgraceful post from a moderator.

Whether or not you agree with his posts he has every right to post this.


And he was right. Only one person got knifed.

[jeemak]

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This is all getting a bit beyond a joke isn't it?

[Ghost Dog]

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What a disgraceful post from a moderator.

Whether or not you agree with his posts he has every right to post this.


And he was right. Only one person got knifed.

Tasered actually, which is non-lethal I might add.
Ok, I put my hand up. the Fantasia 'let's lynch Fantasia ' thing was a joke. I meant to say, ' yeah, let's get rid of one guy to fix our probs! ( yeah right!! as if ). Actually in my involvement with the club, I've often asked staff ' who do you barrack for anyway? and they always say other teams, not the Bulldogs. The club is full of career people who are just doing their jobs really. They don't take things highly personally or spend idle moments dreaming of an elusive Bulldog premiership. They just turn up for work and go home. They prob do their jobs well 70% of the time like most people in life.
I suspect Fantasia, and lots of staff at footy clubs are just normal people who don't get nearly as passionate as us. Of course!!
I never meant to head the thread down this track. Anyway, back on thread!

[Guido]

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I wonder why when the development of so many of our young players has been slow or non-existent Chris Maple doesn't receive a battering, or is it that people don't know who he is?

I'm no fan of Fantasia (he's a time sever as far as I am concerned) but your point about player development is very well made. It's all very well to say we should have recruited player x but who's to say that even if we did then he would have became the same player at our club than he would have at another club. The same question could be asked in reverse. If we hadnt drafted player x and he had gone to a different club would he have benefited from that and his career blossomed?

Is their much evidence that shows/proves that, in comparison to other clubs, we struggle to develop talent?

You'd point to this year's results, but that's a culmination of a number of factors.

If it was a genuine problem, it would be list wide, and quite evident across a number of years (generations) wouldn't it?

Name a time frame - I'll list you 10, 20, 30 players from Hodge's and Selwood's clubs whose careers amounted to absolutely nothing. Same development structures as those two underwent, same leadership above them in their formative years, same disciplines put into practice. It comes down to what it always comes down to - at least 60% of kids who walk into a club will not make the grade.

IMO there's plenty of evidence to show that the club is doing many things right in the player development stakes, and has been for the best part of a decade.

There's about a dozen A grade careers for a start, many of them All Australians. A Brownlow medallist at 21. Callan Ward, almost BOG in a prelim at the age of 20.

Brian Lake, one of the top 2 fullbacks in the league. Dale Morris - walks in at 21, by 24 is one of the premier defenders in the code. Wouldn't that indicate that something is being down right? Or did he somehow just develop himself of his own accord to an elite AFL standard?

The two warriors who year in year out have consistently picked up 500 touches. Yes, the work ethic was there, but people have to be managed well and put on the right pathways for that work ethic to be effective.

Hell, even Minson, it's taken 10 years, but he has developed into one of the top 5 rucks in the comp.

Of the younger players, Dalhaus, Libba, Wallis, Wood - good to exceptional talents, but cultivated by our development structures and staff, don't know what more we expected of them at this stage. Some good signs that the next crop are also developing very well and on target to be quality once they hit 22-23 and with 80-100 games under their belts.

Even many of the supposed "failures", McMahon and Ray stepped up and were probably equal BOG against Collingwood in the club's first final in 6-7 years.

And all players whose careers were born and bred at the Whitten Oval. There's a lesson in there somewhere.

[Guido]

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I'll bet my bottom dollar that no-one on this board knows who played which roles, and how much relative weight the club officials bought to bear in any of the decisions discussed in this thread. The character assassination that goes on with scant evidence is a bloody joke. We can't even agree the basic facts like the duration of contracts. I guess I have to stop taking the interweb too seriously.

He is the coach's boss. Bar the CEO, no-one has more authority and say in how the footy department is run.

EVERY decision on list management must pass through him.

A coach cannot make a trade unless Fantasia approves.

A player contract cannot be signed, unless Fantasia approves.

The buck stops with him.

He was the administrator that OK'd the trading of a compensation pick between 19-25 for Sherman.

He was the administrator that OK'd the trading of our first live pick in the 2010 draft for Djerkkura (a pick which could have been used on Nick Duigan or Paul Puopolo)

Under his watch, we picked up a 30 year old -who had a history of doing FA in big matches- in the PSD on an inflated contract. Scott - 2 (two) touches in the prelim - Welsh. People will say "but that was all Eade's call" .. THIS is exactly why a footy manager is there, why he's above the coach - to be the rational voice of reason and not allow the club to be dictated by short-sighted self interest.

(Adelaide has a policy of not offering anyone turning 30 or above any more than 2 years. These are the types of hard-coded rules that need to begin to be implemented at the Bulldogs - with exceptions only allowable if, say, coach, footy department manager, CEO and Chris Grant OK it.)

"If he was in this draft, Josh Hill would be selected in the top 20" - and that's why we turned down a second AND a fourth round pick for him. This is less than two years ago. He's now had the best season of his career, do you think a single club out there would use a pick earlier than 40 on him in the national draft?

The Callan Ward negotiations. "This is going to hurt the club more than Ablett leaving Geelong" ... 5 years warning, $8.8mil in cap space, and the bloke failed to keep the ONE clearly elite 23 year old and under player on the list.

I think there's enough evidence to suggest that the bloke makes poor choices, and given his position, yes, he is accountable for them.

Fantasia may be an average performer but we have been average in football operations a lot longer than he's been at the club.

Does this mean we do nothing about it?

If you want a premiership, you need a top 4 coach, top 4 footy manager and a top 4 list.

First cab off the rank is the footy manager, has to come first if you're going to assemble a premiership team.

The decisions today will dictate whether our next run at a flag will be a successful one, so pardon a few of us for thinking that it is in the club's best interests to replace an average performer with someone who'll be outstanding in the role.

[Ghost Dog]

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Gilbee to retire on Monday, Brian Taylor announced strong rumour TV last night.

I would have loved to have gotten Puopolo over Sherman. Would have rather kept Everitt over Vezpremi. Have never, ever, seen even a glimmer from Hooper. And it's not just Hindsight. Was suss on all these decisions from the get go.

[ledge]

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Ok so some seem to be blaming fantasia if it is his failure who is the one failing to sack him doesnt the blame lie in that person for not getting a better choice and not replacing him ?

[GVGjr]

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Gilbee to retire on Monday, Brian Taylor announced strong rumour TV last night.

I was never confident that Gilbee could put together such a great career when we first picked him. He's been a great player for us.

[G-Mo77]

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Saw the Gilbee rumor on Big Footy last night. Such a shame he's not in the 22 in our last home game, deserves a send off in front of the home crowd.

[Desipura]

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What a disgraceful post from a moderator.

Whether or not you agree with his posts he has every right to post this.


And he was right. Only one person got knifed.

GvGjr is a respected poster on here who more often than not gives a balanced view on all topics related to the dogs. It's the posters with extremists views, mostly negative, without any foundation that seemed to annoy him and possibly got him to a point to reply how he did.
I do not think we should condemn him for his one off over the top reply to a poster.
We all know there are Eade admirers on here and will do everything to side with him.