Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

[AndrewP6]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

Fair enough. These are really good points.
But Mitch Wallis. Exception to the rule?
Captain at two other levels, pretty much already cemented his spot in our team....
He's Gold.

He's good, but IMO hasn't fully earnt his stripes. Future leader yes (and maybe even captain one day) but not leadership material...yet.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

This all obviously hinges off them actually wanting to be a leader at this point in time.

You have to think of the players too, how would people like Minson, Sherman, picken, Dickson, etc. react to someone like Dahlhaus leading them?

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

This all obviously hinges off them actually wanting to be a leader at this point in time.

You have to think of the players too, how would people like Minson, Sherman, picken, Dickson, etc. react to someone like Dahlhaus leading them?

Yes, interesting you used Dahl and not Wallis there.
Anyway, Sherman could especially for one could benefit from his example.
I think each of these players above could appreciate that the club is rebuilding for the future. If it was put to them that a younger player like Wallis was doing an 'apprentiship' in the leadership group I don't think any of them would have a problem.

You are right though, would Wallis say yes if he was asked?

[MrMahatma]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

This all obviously hinges off them actually wanting to be a leader at this point in time.

You have to think of the players too, how would people like Minson, Sherman, picken, Dickson, etc. react to someone like Dahlhaus leading them?

My last boss was 4 yrs younger than me. He was a gun and I've learnt more from him than anyone else.

If they're good enough, and ready, age is irrelevant.

Doesn't mean we have anyone in the squad who fits the bill though.

[Bornadog]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

My last boss was 4 yrs younger than me. He was a gun and I've learnt more from him than anyone else.

If they're good enough, and ready, age is irrelevant.

Doesn't mean we have anyone in the squad who fits the bill though.

But I presume he isnot an 18 year old kid

[LostDoggy]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

Dahl is captain material, provides spark, passion and desire, the fans love him and he will be a bulldog legend. When Boyd stands aside it is him all the way I believe.

[Mofra]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

Fair enough. These are really good points.
But Mitch Wallis. Exception to the rule?
Captain at two other levels, pretty much already cemented his spot in our team....
He's Gold.

He may well be the exception. 2013 may be a little too early, but he's best 22 and 2014 he is probably odds on to be elevated in some capacity (or at least act like a leader on field). That'd make him 21 or 22?

[G-Mo77]

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GD brought up some good examples with Selwood and Beams, both their games went up another level. Some players are natural leaders, some aren't. If they're the right person I'd have no problems with putting them up into the group.

I still think at least wait another year for some of the players mentioned though.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

Yes, interesting you used Dahl and not Wallis there.
Anyway, Sherman could especially for one could benefit from his example.
I think each of these players above could appreciate that the club is rebuilding for the future. If it was put to them that a younger player like Wallis was doing an 'apprentiship' in the leadership group I don't think any of them would have a problem.

You are right though, would Wallis say yes if he was asked?

Am I that transparent?
It's very hard not to pigeonhole Wallis into a leader / captain role.

Everyone is a pro, they will take any decision on board. My post I guess is giving you another thing for your 'con' list. Will this type of situation introduce a form of uncomfortability that our organization isn't capable of dealing with?

[Ghost Dog]

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Am I that transparent?
It's very hard not to pidgin hole Wallis into a leader / captain role.

Everyone is a pro, they will take any decision on board. My post I guess is giving you another thing for your 'con' list. Will this type of situation introduce a form of uncomfortability that our organization isn't capable of dealing with?

pidgin haha... Me lik'im dogbull fella Wally wally Laaaa.....

Ah definitely and as much as people find 'new' attractive, you have to respect tradition, process and the way that the club has survived by doing the right things. I get that.
Westernbulldogs however have traditionally been pulled out of the poo by it's supporter base and strong local ties. Like a lot of things blue collar ( unions, strong labor identities, traditional family units ) things are starting to wear a bit thin. Clubs only survive by being close to their memberships. Let's not forget that.
Once there was only two choices really. Footy or Cricket. Now there are a plethora. Plus X-box to compete with.
TIMES HAVE CHANGED.....
If we want more young people to be inspired by our club, we need younger leaders as well, and constantly find ways of engaging young supporters ( like the Dahlhaus clubhouse, good work )
Tough times for the club. I hope they are prepared to look outside the box, but close to the grass roots, so to speak.

[Bornadog]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

Dahl is captain material, provides spark, passion and desire, the fans love him and he will be a bulldog legend. When Boyd stands aside it is him all the way I believe.

Yes in about 5 or 6 years time.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

The biggest danger is giving the impression that the leadership group is selected for political reasons such as the ones given above. If Wallis, Dahlhaus, anybody really, shows the necessary prerequisites and has the respect of the playing group and club as a whole, then fine, but simply adding some youth into the leadership group to excite the fans is a huge mistake.

I would also never point to Carlton as a healthy club culture to emulate. When I look at that club, believe it or not I'm happy we don't have 16 flags.

[Ghost Dog]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

The biggest danger is giving the impression that the leadership group is selected for political reasons such as the ones given above. If Wallis, Dahlhaus, anybody really, shows the necessary prerequisites and has the respect of the playing group and club as a whole, then fine, but simply adding some youth into the leadership group to excite the fans is a huge mistake.

I would also never point to Carlton as a healthy club culture to emulate. When I look at that club, believe it or not I'm happy we don't have 16 flags.

Look at it in another year then?
And who wants to emulate Carlton. They cheat their pants off and still can't win!!! Go Suns!

[LostDoggy]

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pidgin haha... Me lik'im dogbull fella Wally wally Laaaa.....

I didn't have a clue what you were on about here. Got it now, fixed it up.

[KT31]

Re: Elevate Pups to the Leadership group now?

I didn't have a clue what you were on about here. Got it now, fixed it up.

I din't see anything wrong with your Pidgin English.