Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

[The Doctor]

Someone has to be accountable for the atrocity that was the 2012 season.

James Fantasia has been at the club for 5 years and what has he achieved? Nothing.

The objective of the Football Dept head is to deliver a premiership. The head of that dept has that responsibility. The responsibilities include, but are not limited to, managing the list & appointing coaches. I would argue we have the worst list in the comp going forward and on current viewing perhaps the most inept coaching dept. The Football Dept has to be accountable for this mess. Fantasia is responsible for this. His 5 years of mismanagement has led us to the plight we are in.

It is time for James Fantasia to go.

If Simon Garlick and David Smorgon don't have the balls to do something about it then they should go as well.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

I don't like to lay the blame at one individual's feet, but it's near impossible to raise a counter argument. Further change is required in a lot of areas, and hopefully we have the resolve to make a number of tough decisions both playing list and football department wise over the coming weeks.

[jeemak]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

You can't judge the 2012 season until you see who we delist, and who we hang on to.

We've been hurt by injury, we've also played players that would be otherwise lucky to get a game without those injuries.

We've also tried to develop players ahead of time.

Happy for you to reinvent a good four or five threads on this board if that's what you want to do to make yourself feel better, but I think you'd be best off waiting to see how the dust settles mate.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

I don't like to lay the blame at one individual's feet, but it's near impossible to raise a counter argument. Further change is required in a lot of areas, and hopefully we have the resolve to make a number of tough decisions both playing list and football department wise over the coming weeks.

Yet the blame of 2011 went on one mans feet.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Yet the blame of 2011 went on one mans feet.

And most thought more changes were required then, this season has only reinforced that. We've long been masters of band-aid solutions - we need to go all out to secure a big name with proven results - no "stay the course" or cheap as chips options.

I wonder if Balme wants a big challenge?

[LostDoggy]

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Yet the blame of 2011 went on one mans feet.

Was Eade "blamed" for 2011 or was he sacked for not getting that squad to a GF in '08 '09 '10?
He peaked the team through this period and didn't get them over the line. Now they were on the way back down that was the reason Smorgo ar$ed him? Rebuild with the next coach.
Just a thought.

[Sedat]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Who do you suggest for his job? Not being smart but I'm not a fan of raising an issue and not offering a solution...

My thoughts on Fantasia are well-known so I can't really add any more to what The Doc has suggested. To be honest we worked more effectively without a head of football from 2005-2008, when Scott Clayton managed both recruiting and player contract negotiations. There are so many errors that have transpired in the last 3-4 years under Fantasia's watch so it's not worth going over old ground. Suffice to say that on every conceibvable measurement, James Fantasia has been an abject failure in his role and should be one of the first people to go at the end of the season.

I'd personally go after someone like Steven Icke to replace him. He ran a sound footy dept at Carlton until a personality clash with Ratten meant he had to go. He is a very experienced footy administrator who is measured, methodical and would not be spooked by other clubs nor by footy managers and their ambit claims. That last point alone would be a vast improvement on what Fantasia has brought to the table.

[Greystache]

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Yet the blame of 2011 went on one mans feet.

Garbage, this line gets thrown out all the time and it's utter crap.

3 of the 4 senior coaches got moved on last year, the other had a contact and will be gone this year. The only coach who kept/will keep his job was Peter German who got his team into the grand final.

McCartney, King, Grant, and Smith are all new additions this season.

[Sedat]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Garbage, this line gets thrown out all the time and it's utter crap.

3 of the 4 senior coaches got moved on last year, the other had a contact and will be gone this year. The only coach who kept/will keep his job was Peter German who got his team into the grand final.

Peter Dean definitely got flicked but Paul Williams left of his own accord and went to Carlton.

[Greystache]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Peter Dean definitely got flicked but Paul Williams left of his own accord and went to Carlton.

Jumped before pushed, Montgomery will be gone shortly too.

[boydogs]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

I hope we're tanking, not going to be a fun few years if that's the best we've got.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

I think something has to happen. Personally I thought Eade should have had the opportunity to rebuild and was disappointed that the club didn't give him that opportunity. That said, I think Macca's appointment is not a bad thing, but he has a lot to learn. I can't help but feel that much of what we saw this year was part of a bigger plan. he certainly carried on Eade's plan to introduce and play the younger guys, even giving time where it was clearly not warranted.

That said, we are where we are today mainly because of the decisions made by the football department over the last 5 years. Macca has to work with the cattle he has and he can't just magic a gun forward out of thin air. We have been poor in recruiting; poor in developing; poor in list managing; and poor in trading.

We have allowed good players that we developed to be poached and even now will allow Big Will to be taken as a free agent. We haven't coped with the rule change re sub's and have been guilty of holding on to players 1 to 2 seasons to long.

There is much work to be done.

[Desipura]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Eade has coached the longest without winning a premiership, he may yet get an opportunity at Port and would have to accept it as I cannot see any other team knocking down the door.
They made mention of Malthouse having one premiership in 16 years, he also got Collingwood to 2 losing grand finals, Eade has only coached in one. His time was up with us, a very good coach who unfortunately did not get us the ultimate prize (along with many others)

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Again the defenders of Fantasia point to Eade.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Bring Me Fantasia's Head.

Garbage, this line gets thrown out all the time and it's utter crap.

3 of the 4 senior coaches got moved on last year, the other had a contact and will be gone this year. The only coach who kept/will keep his job was Peter German who got his team into the grand final.

McCartney, King, Grant, and Smith are all new additions this season.

So Eade's assistants underneath him got blamed too!
Recruiting was fine, list management and contracts great, no problems from president or CEO.
All stems from one bloke really.