Brian Lake to Hawthorn

[Greystache]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Negotiating is an artform and a skill that Scott Clayton was exceptional at - we have missed this skill so badly in recent years, and the haste of this Lake trade only reinforces that. He is under contract and we blinked at the first offer.

You may be able to hold your breath on this one Sedat. Clayton's not a great recruiter and that's what he's being paid at GC to do. Perhaps a return to the Bulldogs as a footy manager to replace Fantasia is not out of the realms of possibility.

[ReLoad]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I would guess he was on a fair bit at the end of the deal - so maybe 500-550K.

I heard 650k.

He was on 200k in his first year due to extreme cap pressure, 450k in his second year and 650k in his third.

How the Hawks could afford that is beyond me, unless of course Bwian will play for them for much less, which he may well do.

Is it just me or are player agents becoming more like unscrupulous vultures every trade year, Marty Pask came across as a real knob.

I wonder where we will spend all of our cap now? front load even more onto Dahl, Griff, Wallis etc?

[LongWait]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I'm presuming you are able to distinguish the actual trading of Lake (not an unfathomable option considering his age profile) with the compensation received, not to mention the haste with which the trade was agreed to by the club?

Negotiating is an artform and a skill that Scott Clayton was exceptional at - we have missed this skill so badly in recent years, and the haste of this Lake trade only reinforces that. He is under contract and we blinked at the first offer, 1 day into a 21 day trade period.

We don't know what transpired behind closed doors but Marty Pask was talking about Lake going to the club of his choice now (via a trade) or in 12 months for free. I didn't get the impression we were being given the option to shop Brian around to find the highest bidder.

[Desipura]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I bet you anything, right now that is what we will do.

If you believe that, I am certain we will not do that deal.

[Bornadog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Aren't we in development mode?

How are we meant to find our next FB if thats the only position Brian wants to play.

Thats no reason Chef. Do we get rid of Bob Murphy because we need to develop someone. What about Cross, Gia, Boyd, Morris. We need a blend of players and Champs around the club.

[Greystache]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I heard 650k.

I wonder where we will spend all of our cap now? front load even more onto Dahl, Griff, Wallis etc?

Even if we do that I think we'd still struggle to be over the minimum spend. We have the space to chase a big fish on their way up, hopefully we take the opportunity.

[Bornadog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

If you believe that, I am certain we will not do that deal.

What does that mean Desi?

[chef]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Thats no reason Chef. Do we get rid of Bob Murphy because we need to develop someone. What about Cross, Gia, Boyd, Morris. We need a blend of players and Champs around the club.

I guess it's depends on whether these players are happy to play in other positions to better the development of the team.

If Lake is saying I'm playing only FB or trade me, than we did the right thing.

[LongWait]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

When was the last time a club traded a 31 year old player for a first round draft pick and a second round pick downgrade?

We traded pick 47 for Hall if I recall correctly.

[always right]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Thats no reason Chef. Do we get rid of Bob Murphy because we need to develop someone. What about Cross, Gia, Boyd, Morris. We need a blend of players and Champs around the club.

Isn't the real question.....would you trade Bob Murphy (bad example) if he told the coach he will only play in his preferred position? The reality is none of the blokes you have named would put the coach in that position.

[F'scary]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

It is a good move.

1st round pick (21) for Lake with a downgrading of pick 27 to 41.

He is a free agent next year and Bulldogs would not get a 1st round pick as compensation.

I do not calculate that any other club would have offered a 1st round draft pick for him. He is nearing the end of his useful life and may only have one more good full season left in his energy banks at best.

The club leadership has pulled off a coup as I compute it.

[Ozza]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Isn't the real question.....would you trade Bob Murphy (bad example) if he told the coach he will only play in his preferred position? The reality is none of the blokes you have named would put the coach in that position.

Great point.

If Brian indeed did say he didn't want to play for us because BMac told him he wouldn't play FB again (which I think is nonsense) - then thats seems like a terriffic reason to trade him.

As you said - a Bob Murphy or a Gia wouldn't put themselves before the team like that....Dale Morris and Daniel Cross would get their heads knocked off for the team.

The only legitmacy to the theory of Lake being miffed about what position he plays in - is that all of us are quietly suspicious that he is just the sort of bloke who would be selfish enough to leave for a reason like that.

[Bornadog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Isn't the real question.....would you trade Bob Murphy (bad example) if he told the coach he will only play in his preferred position? The reality is none of the blokes you have named would put the coach in that position.

From Lakes point of view, he has been an AA fullback, he isnot a KPF and there is lots of competition for that role. The Hawks are recruiting for the backline.

[anfo27]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Was happy to trade Brian if the deal favoured us but this is outrageous. I agree with Sedat on this. We had all the power in this trade & we still get bent over. We can't even get 1 single decent pick for a player that helps the hawks big time.
Posters talking about freeing up his contract, i don't think so people. There is no way the hawks can fit Brain into their salary cap so we are on the hook for at least half of his wage.
What is this rubbish about 'if he leaves next year we get nothing'? Did the saints get anything for Goddard? If we kept him & he left the compensation we would get would be better than pick bloody 41 & an upgrade of 6 picks & being left paying half his salary.
I would love to play poker against the muppets we have down there doing these deals.
Today is right up there with some of the worst days ever to be a bulldogs fan. I thought it could not get any worse after missing out on Martin.
Maybe we can trade Griffin to the bombers to solve their midfield problems for Scott Gumbleton & a change of 2nd round picks?
Will not be able to sleep tonight.

[Bornadog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Great point.

If Brian indeed did say he didn't want to play for us because BMac told him he wouldn't play FB again (which I think is nonsense)

I can confirm my friend was told by Macca at the Brisbane match, in the rooms that this was the case. I don't make things up. He was also told Murphy will play forward next year.