Brian Lake to Hawthorn

[LongWait]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Back on topic, interesting that Mark Stevens is not too thrilled wih the level of compensation we received for Lake - not happy with pick 27 packaged up into the mix.

I think we all would have liked to received more. It is what it is though, and I think Stevens was kind to Lake in not mentioning we were railroaded by Lake.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

It is a good move.

1st round pick (21) for Lake with a downgrading of pick 27 to 41.

He is a free agent next year and Bulldogs would not get a 1st round pick as compensation.

I do not calculate that any other club would have offered a 1st round draft pick for him. He is nearing the end of his useful life and may only have one more good full season left in his energy banks at best.

The club leadership has pulled off a coup as I compute it.

I agree with this. Its a bold move and we should be applauding the club for not sitting on its hands, but actively developing a list that will win us a premiership.

[Mantis]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

“In what is an exciting time for the Club we are looking forward to continuing to develop the team under Brendan McCartney,” McCartney said.

Exciting time? Really Jason.

We were horrible to watch this past season and showed very little improvement or development across the board.

Good luck boys... you have a massive job at hand.

[Dry Rot]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

His twitter account.

Thanks

[Mofra]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

This is the best point in the thread. Johnno and Granty were happy to sacrifice their games in order to help the club in 03, 04, and 05. If Lake isn't the same then it's understandable but good riddance.

Gia playing forward and Roughy at FB are current examples.

I don't think there's too much of an issue at trading Lake out, but the return we got was poor and it's the first day of a 3 week trading period.

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Isn't the real question.....would you trade Bob Murphy (bad example) if he told the coach he will only play in his preferred position? The reality is none of the blokes you have named would put the coach in that position.

BINGO! Those guys are more team orientated. Brian as great as he was, was always about Brian first, club and team mates second....

We can make this work for us. ITs a bold step which will cost early, but if we choose right and don't waste it on a Howard we will be ok.

[Wing_Nut]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Happy with this trade. Compensation could have been slightly improved but seems like we had little choice. Did what had to be done. Lake only going to improve us from 13/14 to 11/12 at best anyway, so we've got better draft picks next year now too!

[Topdog]

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Well that's what Pask basically said.

What did he ACTUALLY say?

[Topdog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

I think we all would have liked to received more. It is what it is though, and I think Stevens was kind to Lake in not mentioning we were railroaded by Lake.

rubbish. We had another 20 days to negotiate.

[LongWait]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

rubbish. We had another 20 days to negotiate.

What's rubbish? Not sure what you mean.

I'm not sure that spending more time would have made a difference. Lake's management approached us last week and told us that Lake would be leaving us at the end of next season unless he was traded to the club of his choice this year.

Spending another three weeks agonising over this with Hawthorn may have resulted in a worse deal. It may have resulted in a better deal. We can't know the unknowable.

Perhaps Hawthorn had plans to use pick 21 to another trade and we had to do a deal quickly or they would commit the pick we wanted to some other cause. We are all speculating and may never know.

I don't think we were in a good situation and Lake is entirely responsible for that.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Just think this is an awful deal for us. It's not like we were pushed for room in the salary cap.

[Topdog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Rubbish that we were railroaded. You can't be railroaded when you accept a deal without negotiating properly

[FrediKanoute]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

rubbish. We had another 20 days to negotiate.

Yep, but negotiations can go both ways. What if another club came in and offered an adequate, but lesser fullback for the Hawks 2nd round pick? Fast forward a year and the Hawks happily take Lake for nothing.

This is the brutal world of Free Agency, and we will just have to get used to gun players being traded with 12+ months to go on their contract, because losing them for nothing isn't an option.

Doing the deal today, puts us in a position where:

1) we now have an upgraded pick we can on trade should something else become available (who knows we may be able to facilitate a 3 way deal);

2) we can focus on our own list management and looking at potential draftees.

I see no harm in doing the deal early. The only concern I have is if the Hawks were to down grade their 1st round pick......

[Topdog]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Then they take him for nothing and we get a compensation pick from the AFL of most likely a 2nd round pick which funnily enough will probably be 20-25

[LostDoggy]

Re: Brian Lake to Hawthorn

Had we kept 27 it's gold. As it stands its just horrid.

Having said which - if Brian wants out he can go. We need to build a culture of love of the club and we won't build it by keeping people who don't want to be there. We are going to get ruined on the field next year.