Chris Dawes?

[Yankee Hotel Foxtrot]

Re: Chris Dawes?

Feel free to send a PM my way, we could be on the same page.

For better or worse I tend to limit my participation on forums to that of public discussion. I'm not really on any page.
As someone fairly posted, I should save my maudlin reactions for at least until this deal is officially done.

[Topdog]

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The potential is there with Jones DR. Kid can play

[azabob]

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Dawes, if not just after money, might not view us as a reasonable option to be traded to. I suppose there's always a silver lining, you just have to look very hard for it sometimes!

By all accounts Dawes isn't after the money, he want's success hence signing a 3 year deal for perhaps less than he was worth.

Having said if he feels he did the right thing by Collingwood and now they have chewed him up and spat him out, he may be just out for himself. Can't really blame him either.

[Mantis]

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Nothing has happened yet, but if we give up the rumoured picks for Dawes how can we take those in charge of making footy decisions out our club seriously?

We trade away Lake, which I do see merit in, but to justify this decision we make the point that we now have 6 picks in the top 50 to use as we look to the future... Fine.

But then to be reported to be using 2 of these picks on a player who doesn't look capable of being the 60 to 80 goal forward we would require him to be (especially for a 1st and early 3rd round pick), well we are just digging a big hole for ourselves.

Others may have already raised this point, but they aren't selling me any hope doing this, in fact the are just plain lying.

[chef]

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Chris Dawes and pick 39 to the Western Bulldogs for pick 21 and 41, apparently.

[G-Mo77]

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Chris Dawes and pick 39 to the Western Bulldogs for pick 21 and 41, apparently.

Look I'd be a little happier with that, would rather hit the draft though.

[azabob]

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Nothing has happened yet, but if we give up the rumoured picks for Dawes how can we take those in charge of making footy decisions out our club seriously?

We trade away Lake, which I do see merit in, but to justify this decision we make the point that we now have 6 picks in the top 50 to use as we look to the future... Fine.

But then to be reported to be using 2 of these picks on a player who doesn't look capable of being the 60 to 80 goal forward we would require him to be (especially for a 1st and early 3rd round pick), well we are just digging a big hole for ourselves.

Others may have already raised this point, but they aren't selling me any hope doing this, in fact the are just plain lying.

Others have raised it, and you are 100% spot on.

[whythelongface]

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The bright side is that we'll be shown what our our tall forwards are like in 2013 , finish last and get Boyd.

I don't get see much of the Dogs on TV, but from what I've seen Jones and Cordy are awful tall forwards.

Jones may become a fair CHB to replace Williams, but I dunno where Cordy should play.

Jones has a lot of upside. Last year he started the season as the leading go to forward and a lot of expectation was placed on his shoulders. He was often pitted against the opposition's best defender and was also double teamed on numerous occasions. He certainly didn't perform up to our expectations and his confidence slipped noticeably as the season wore. He is still only 21 and is still developing.

If we get Dawes (I only hope we get him if it is for a draft pick in the 40's or lower) then this will help Jones develop as he will have a developed bigger body player as his foil.

What makes you think he may become a fair CHB? Have you see him play there? I can'recall seeing him at CHB but maybe he has and I missed it.

As for Cordy I am not sure of his best position. Again he has shown glimpses of form in the forward line. He is still a long way IMO.

[gohardorgohome]

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Chris Dawes and pick 39 to the Western Bulldogs for pick 21 and 41, apparently.

Source?

[chef]

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Source?

Someone(usually pretty reliable) claiming to have inside knowledge at the Pies. Don't take it as gospel as it's also on FB and other places on the net.

[WB4Life]

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I did.


I have been a member of the club for about 20 years and have never contacted the club before about any issue.

I am writing this email to express my hope that the club doesn't use our pick 21 on Chris Dawes.

I have seen the club recruit 2nd and 3rd string forwards with regular monotony over the years.

They never work out. They never change the clubs fortunes. They never 'deliver'.

By trading Brian Lake we have heard the message loud and clear that the club is rebuilding for long term success.
And one benefit of trading Brian was an upgrade from pick 27 to 21.

So PLEASE use the pick on a kid in the draft. PLEASE.

I will be seriously disillusioned with the club if it goes through with the Dawes deal.

I can handle pain while there's hope.
I can't handle mediocrity.

Yours Sincerely.

basically the same thing i wrote... stay strong stick to the rebuild.

[LongWait]

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I hope we do secure Dawes and I don't think that 21 is paying overs at all. Pick 21 is a total crap shoot. The picks we have that are seriously important and where you should have confidence that you will get quality are picks 5 and 6.

I think a lot of supporters under-rate Dawes as a footballer and over-rate the options we have up forward.

Lake, it appears, was to have been the big-bodied key forward option but he didn't want. So Dawes it is. We know that Jones and Campbell can't do it yet, maybe never.

[always right]

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Nothing has happened yet, but if we give up the rumoured picks for Dawes how can we take those in charge of making footy decisions out our club seriously?

We trade away Lake, which I do see merit in, but to justify this decision we make the point that we now have 6 picks in the top 50 to use as we look to the future... Fine.

But then to be reported to be using 2 of these picks on a player who doesn't look capable of being the 60 to 80 goal forward we would require him to be (especially for a 1st and early 3rd round pick), well we are just digging a big hole for ourselves.

Others may have already raised this point, but they aren't selling me any hope doing this, in fact the are just plain lying.

I'm normally happy to put my faith in those making decision in the club as they are obviously closer to understanding the grand plan. I have to say though that if the rumours are true and we are proposing a trade of picks 21 and 47 for Dawes, I will be seriously disillusioned.

I don't see great improvement in Dawes. He's 24 and at best he's shown he can be a strong bodied presence up forward. If we are trying to sell hope on the basis we are investing in youth for the future, don't piss two of our draft picks against the wall on a mature age player of limited quality. Offering pick 21 for him is in my view over the odds. Offering up an additional pick essentially means we have traded Lake for Dawes....not a great result.

In years to come I want to watch the players we pick with 21 and 47 and say the club got it right with the Lake trade. Next year is going to be tough....probably tougher than this year unless our young blokes come on quicker than expected. I don't think the inclusion of Dawes is going to make a significant difference and I don't want to watch him running around next year with a knot in my stomach about which talented young blokes we might have picked up instead of him.

[G-Mo77]

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I hope we do secure Dawes and I don't think that 21 is paying overs at all. Pick 21 is a total crap shoot. The picks we have that are seriously important and where you should have confidence that you will get quality are picks 5 and 6.

I think a lot of supporters under-rate Dawes as a footballer and over-rate the options we have up forward.

Lake, it appears, was to have been the big-bodied key forward option but he didn't want. So Dawes it is. We know that Jones and Campbell can't do it yet, maybe never.

You're right #21 could be a hit and miss but the club were banging on how important that extra pick in the first round was to them at building and going forward. I'm not that against Dawes but I'm against lying down, again, to a club who seem desperate to unload his contract. From what I hear it's $500K per season for 2 more years so Collingwood possibly have a TPP problem and the $avings so many bleated about Monday after we traded Lake is virtually gone.

The mixed messages that are passed around and the way negotiations have been taking place so far this week it makes me think that our recruiting team has no plan at all and are making things up as they go.

[Throughandthrough]

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sounds like its a lock, and done at a fair price. I'm more than happy to have him at teh Dogs, he'll go well.