Chris Dawes?

[whythelongface]

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You're right #21 could be a hit and miss but the club were banging on how important that extra pick in the first round was to them at building and going forward. I'm not that against Dawes but I'm against lying down, again, to a club who seem desperate to unload his contract. From what I hear it's $500K per season for 2 more years so Collingwood possibly have a TPP problem and the $avings so many bleated about Monday after we traded Lake is virtually gone.

The mixed messages that are passed around and the way negotiations have been taking place so far this week it makes me think that our recruiting team has no plan at all and are making things up as they go.

Didn't McCartney go on record as saying that we wouldn't be active in the trade period (unless a high quality player was available at the right price). Dawes is a reasonable player but not what I would consider a high quality player. Therefore it appears that there are definitely mixed messages coming from our club in regards to what our strategy is.

[Bornadog]

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sounds like its a lock, and done at a fair price. I'm more than happy to have him at teh Dogs, he'll go well.

Reading The Age this morning, they say the deals are on the table, we have the best deal for Collingwood, but its now up to Dawes to decide whether he wants to come to the Dogs.

From his perspective he has played finals including GF for the past 4 or so years at a club with seemingly unlimited resources, in front of average crowds of over 50,000 and is made to feel like a god by adoring fans.

He has to way up what the Doggies have to offer in another redevelopment year with very little chance of playing finals, at least for 2013.

Not only is it a big decision for the Bulldogs, but also a big decision for Dawes. Apparently once he makes up his mind, the deal will be done - expected by end of day or tomorrow.

[Bornadog]

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Didn't McCartney go on record as saying that we wouldn't be active in the trade period (unless a high quality player was available at the right price). Dawes is a reasonable player but not what I would consider a high quality player. Therefore it appears that there are definitely mixed messages coming from our club in regards to what our strategy is.

Of course that is your opinion, yet Macca, Neeld and Malthouse all rate him. Malthouse would like him at Carlton, but they don't have much to offer Collingwood, and would need to free up further players.

[LostDoggy]

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Risky trade, but are there many safe ones? So far our effort in the trade period looks something like Lake and pick 27 for Chris Dawes. Dawes is 24 years old, a strong-bodied key forward and we could get 6-8 years service from him. By all accounts is a ripper bloke off-field and can see him following a Drew Petrie like improvement, sooner rather than later. Glad to see the Club making some gutsy choices.

[hujsh]

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Look I'd be a little happier with that, would rather hit the draft though.

You're happy with Dawes for pick 21? That's essentially the deal.

Or you could look at it as Lake and pick 27 for Dawes and pick 39. Unless I'm mistaken.

[LostDoggy]

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From the way the jungle drums are beating I think we will do this trade, so we may very well need to look at it from a position of what could he do for us, dare I say it, going forward.

Not overly excited by Dawes's own ability, but in the structure of the team overall and as part of a developing forward line could be very useful.

As long as we dont expect too much from him individually......

Who knows, he may turn out better than any of us had hoped, and we do need a mature body in the forward line.

I realise that he has some short comings, but due to the diluted talent pool due to 18 teams now involved, it is difficult to get the complete package.

[whythelongface]

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Of course that is your opinion, yet Macca, Neeld and Malthouse all rate him. Malthouse would like him at Carlton, but they don't have much to offer Collingwood, and would need to free up further players.

Do they rate him as high quality though? or is he rated just as a good solid player. What is it that makes them rate Dawes? Is it ability or work ethic or attitude or all of these attributes. From what I have seen of him (which is not a hell of a lot) there is definitely some upside too him but he also seems cumbersome as well and carries a bit of weight. Is he the type of player that we want? Why is the club so keen on him?

[Bornadog]

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Do they rate him as high quality though? or is he rated just as a good solid player. What is it that makes them rate Dawes? Is it ability or work ethic or attitude or all of these attributes. From what I have seen of him (which is not a hell of a lot) there is definitely some upside too him but he also seems cumbersome as well and carries a bit of weight. Is he the type of player that we want? Why is the club so keen on him?

All good questions, but like you I haven't seen a lot of him and can only go by what the coaches say.

[Topdog]

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He brings attitude. Not a great mark, doesn't kick many goals, not near pick 21.

Everyone saying Carlton don't have anything to offer. They have a pick before 21. If they really wanted him, i.e makthouse thought he was a very good player they'd be offering it

[jeemak]

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He brings attitude. Not a great mark, doesn't kick many goals, not near pick 21.

Everyone saying Carlton don't have anything to offer. They have a pick before 21. If they really wanted him, i.e makthouse thought he was a very good player they'd be offering it

Cllubs prefer to use their first round draft picks on getting in some young talent where possible. We have pick 5 and 6, which minimises the impact of losing a late first rounder, or early second rounder.

[Bornadog]

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He brings attitude. Not a great mark, doesn't kick many goals, not near pick 21.

Everyone saying Carlton don't have anything to offer. They have a pick before 21. If they really wanted him, i.e makthouse thought he was a very good player they'd be offering it

I doubt Carlton would give up pick 11? Their other problem is the cap.

[SlimPickens]

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From his perspective he has played finals including GF for the past 4 or so years at a club with seemingly unlimited resources, in front of average crowds of over 50,000 and is made to feel like a god by adoring fans.

This might be a tad of an overstatement, eat their own springs to mind. Dawes copped it from all and sundry this year. The game against North where him and Cloke both had nights they would rather forget, I thought there was going to be a riot with the magpie army ripping the jumpers off these two blokes.

Like most players Dawes is loved when going well but geez they turned on him quick this year when he wasn't.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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This is where it seems crazy to pull the trigger on the Lake deal on day one.

If we were still sitting on that trade we may have worked a 3 way deal with the Hawks and the Pies without losing a top 20 pick.

[Mofra]

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Risky trade, but are there many safe ones? So far our effort in the trade period looks something like Lake and pick 27 for Chris Dawes. Dawes is 24 years old, a strong-bodied key forward and we could get 6-8 years service from him. By all accounts is a ripper bloke off-field and can see him following a Drew Petrie like improvement, sooner rather than later. Glad to see the Club making some gutsy choices.

I mentioned on another thread his stats aren't dissimilar to Petrie at a similar age.
Dawes is far more suited to the FF role he played in 2011 than the Leigh Brown type role he played in 2012.

I don't think 21 is overs - the best pick 21 in past years is Hayden Ballantyne and I';d take Dahlhaus (a rookie pick) over Ballantyne.

I am dead against any messing with picks 5 or 6 for Dawes.

[LostDoggy]

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This is where it seems crazy to pull the trigger on the Lake deal on day one.

If we were still sitting on that trade we may have worked a 3 way deal with the Hawks and the Pies without losing a top 20 pick.

You reckon we'd get a better outcome dealing with both the Hawks and the Pies at the same time? I highly doubt it.

I mentioned on another thread his stats aren't dissimilar to Petrie at a similar age.
Dawes is far more suited to the FF role he played in 2011 than the Leigh Brown type role he played in 2012.

I don't think 21 is overs - the best pick 21 in past years is Hayden Ballantyne and I';d take Dahlhaus (a rookie pick) over Ballantyne.

I am dead against any messing with picks 5 or 6 for Dawes.

Ballantyne is a little beauty. Definitely ahead of Dahlhaus at the moment, much as I love Lukey.