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Re: Chris Dawes?
"which means we can go a little overs" seems to be our MO in list management.Originally posted by Mark Robinsons Tweet:
Thing is, if you do it year after year after year, you are consistently chipping away at the quality of your list. When it comes to the crunch, if you've done it often enough (which we have), a few of these draft picks will inevitably cost you top echelon talents which leave you just short of a premiership.
The question is, would we select Chris Dawes at pick 21 in the actual draft? A guy turning 25 in his first season, on an over the odds wage, with the club at least 3-4 years from genuinely challenging, is it really a prudent move? Does it help or hinder the club's long term premiership chances?
Granted the kid at 21 has essentially got between a one in 2 and one in 3 chance of being a 100+ gamer, the kid at 47 probably a one in 4 chance, but if you do hit, it's a 10 year plus pay-off, and probably for someone who will consistently sit in the top dozen on the list and contribute to a number of premiership tilts.
There is only one way that this club can outperform others and get itself on the pathway to a premiership, and that's via outstanding drafting and managing it's cap better than anyone else. Getting Boyds, Dalhouses, Woods, Wards, Lakes, Harbrows, Gilbees, Murphys, and getting as many of them as possible. This is achieved via having as many tickets in the lottery as possible, NOT through "we've got other picks, so we can afford to offload these other ones on overpaid middle of the road players". Build a salary cap warchest and target REAL solutions: out of contract elite youngsters, or have multi $million contracts ready for the right free agent when the time comes.
I've got faith in the recruiting department (not their trading), but even the best eye for talent in the country is friggen pointless without the picks to be able to pull the trigger on quality young guns when it would/should have been your turn.
And again, are there systems in place to pull the guys in charge up? Given his record, Fantasia is desperate for results NEXT year, not 2016-2017 when the drafted kids will come into their own. Ditto McCartney. They could have a brain explosion and want to trade pick 5 next, who is there to pull them up?
It's the exact same bullshit trotted out in 2003 "we've got 1 and 4, we can afford to be a bit bold". **** bold. How about trying intelligent, prudent, long term planning for a ****ing change.Comment
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Re: Chris Dawes?
Clubs are built on hope. At the moment the overwhelming mood amongst members is that we need to rebuild so we are prepared to go through some more pain if the medium to long term outcome gives us genuine cause for hope.
IMO trading for Dawes is short sighted. If it goes ahead and doesn't prove successful, all that hope disappears or is severely damaged. The club is in a precarious position. I'm happy to stick with the club no matter what but my sense is we are one major stuff-up away from losing plenty of other members. This is a stressful time when it should be one of genuine excitement about being in a good position to make good drafting decisions for the future.I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.Comment
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That they're paid big money to manage the footy department means nothing.
I did an analysis on Bigfooty last year on our history in using picks for recycled players - Trading and the Doggies - with hindsight, how many pick ups would be regarded as good value given the draft picks used to acquire them? How many of them were "a little bit overs" (and accepted as a necessary evil by both supporters and those in charge) even at the time of pulling the trigger? 80%? 90%?
There are probably another dozen other recycled players that I missed in that thread purely due to the fact that I couldn't even remember them because they barely played a game.
Everyone one of those decisions was made by people being paid hundreds of thousands to manage the footy department, doesn't mean their decision making was any good. Same goes for the current crop.Comment
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Re: Chris Dawes?
Dawes almost certainly will play 100+ games for us. I have more faith in that than in Tutt or Howard getting to 100 (I like Tutt but the coaching staff seem to have issues with him).
If we are going to take a risk on a Stringer or Menzel (and I'd be happy to get Stringer), than Dawes balances the risk with the safety of a known quantity.Western Bulldogs: 2016 PremiersComment
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Re: Chris Dawes?
Cheers Mofra.
If it's a high number of picks within the top 50 that we are looking for, is there a huge difference between having #5 & #6, trading away #6, keeping #5, but getting #12 & #13 as maybe a player as well?
I wonder if the club are looking at that deal to securing Dawes at #21 but then still having 3 first rounders? Just hope they dont pay overs for Dawes.Comment
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Re: Chris Dawes?
I think the general consensus is we don't mind Dawes coming on board it's just we don't want to pay too much.Don't piss off old people
The older we get the less "LIFE IN PRISON" is a deterrent...Comment
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