Draft Day Talk

[FrediKanoute]

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Yep. Kicked out of the AIS because he went to schoolies instead of attending AIS camp. He is immature. And Harley Bennell got sent home from the AIS tour to South Africa and that seems to have turned out OK.

MJP I am with you on this. I think yes the guy has issues, and that is enough not to take him in the top 50, but when you get to the end of the draft and he is still there......take the punt. No one is going to bat an eyelid at cokcing up a pick in the 80's, but if the punt works (and on talent alone Garlett has the talent) then you not only look like a genius, but the team wins.....big time.

To dare is the to........

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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MJP I am with you on this. I think yes the guy has issues, and that is enough not to take him in the top 50, but when you get to the end of the draft and he is still there......take the punt. No one is going to bat an eyelid at cokcing up a pick in the 80's, but if the punt works (and on talent alone Garlett has the talent) then you not only look like a genius, but the team wins.....big time.

To dare is the to........

I'm amazed/shocked/astonished that he didn't get picked up.

Must be something more to it.

[Sedat]

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MJP I am with you on this. I think yes the guy has issues, and that is enough not to take him in the top 50, but when you get to the end of the draft and he is still there......take the punt. No one is going to bat an eyelid at cokcing up a pick in the 80's, but if the punt works (and on talent alone Garlett has the talent) then you not only look like a genius, but the team wins.....big time.

To dare is the to........

Yep, we urinated a 70's pick down the drain on Shane Thorne, followed up the year after on a late hail mary selection on Zeph. FFS, roll the dice and back in your culture and leaders to get the best out of an elite talent.

More fool every club for being so conservative.

[comrade]

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Yep, we urinated a 70's pick down the drain on Shane Thorne, followed up the year after on a late hail mary selection on Zeph. FFS, roll the dice and back in your culture and leaders to get the best out of an elite talent.

More fool every club for being so conservative.

Aren't you arguing against picking Garlett with those examples?

Talented indigenous kids with questionable attitudes haven't exactly worked out for us in the past.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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I guess we weren't the only team who ignored him with 'junk picks' seems crazy but there must be some HUGE issues there.

[Sedat]

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Aren't you arguing against picking Garlett with those examples?

Talented indigenous kids with questionable attitudes haven't exactly worked out for us in the past.

Neither Thorne nor Skinner were elite 18yos who had proven themselves at national U18 nor state level - they were journeymen in their early 20's who were one in a million chances.

[LostDoggy]

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Newsflash! All 18 clubs passed on Garlett, should that not tell people something?

[LostDoggy]

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Yep. Kicked out of the AIS because he went to schoolies instead of attending AIS camp. He is immature. And Harley Bennell got sent home from the AIS tour to South Africa and that seems to have turned out OK.

And you are absolutely certain that Garlett getting kicked out of the AIS and a few questionable decisions on smoking, drinking and social media is all he has done?

Are you really sure?

Do you really think 18 cut throat professional clubs looking for an edge at almost any cost would all not take a 'Top 5' talent because of these issues.

Do you really think that all 18 clubs would be so stupid and weak. Or is there perhaps even a slight possibility that you and a few others don't actually know the full story of Garlett?

[jeemak]

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And you are absolutely certain that Garlett getting kicked out of the AIS and a few questionable decisions on smoking, drinking and social media is all he has done?

Are you really sure?

Do you really think 18 cut throat professional clubs looking for an edge at almost any cost would all not take a 'Top 5' talent because of these issues.

Do you really think that all 18 clubs would be so stupid and weak. Or is there perhaps even a slight possibility that you and a few others don't actually know the full story of Garlett?

Perth's a small town. I'm not too sure there'd be many people in MJP's position that don't know a lot more about Garlett than most of the other AFL recruiters.

Without speaking for him, I think MJP is suggesting he is that freakishly talented the risk of throwing a late pick at him is outweighed by the potential benefit to your club down the track. Getting the kid in to a professional environment might just be the thing he needs to push him along.

My personal feelings on this right now are that irrespective of whether we picked him up, or another team picked him up I hope he has some really excellent support around him. His position would be a bloody difficult one to navigate for an immature kid.

If clubs didn't think he'd be worth a senior list spot, I'd be very surprised if they didn't think a rookie spot would be worthwhile.

[LostDoggy]

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Heard B-Mac on SEN after the draft and he made some interesting comments.
He was asked which draftees was he expecting to play seniors next season and it was Hrovat he named.
He was also strong again on character of the individuals drafted. He commented that it was better to get "good people & people of good character" into the club and on field skills can be taught later.
I guess the whole Garlett issue came down to that.
I think that clubs are terrified of taking on perceived bad eggs because bad publicity makes it harder to attract sponsors.
From our perspective we probably dont have the number of members or sponsorship dollars to risk on a Garlett not being successful.

Personally I feel that most recruiters dont do a good job. If you look at the number of rookies that eventually get upgraded and then look at the number of guys that are cut each year from primary lists, it shows that they dont know much at all. Way too many misses.
Look at Dalhaus, he went from Williamstown reserves to being an important part of our on-field senior team in a matter of months, yet not one recruiter felt he was worthy of being put on a primary list. At the end of 2011 he had become so important to us, I doubt we would have traded him for anything lower than a top 10 pick.

[LostDoggy]

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Perth's a small town. I'm not too sure there'd be many people in MJP's position that don't know a lot more about Garlett than most of the other AFL recruiters.

Without speaking for him, I think MJP is suggesting he is that freakishly talented the risk of throwing a late pick at him is outweighed by the potential benefit to your club down the track. Getting the kid in to a professional environment might just be the thing he needs to push him along.

My personal feelings on this right now are that irrespective of whether we picked him up, or another team picked him up I hope he has some really excellent support around him. His position would be a bloody difficult one to navigate for an immature kid.

If clubs didn't think he'd be worth a senior list spot, I'd be very surprised if they didn't think a rookie spot would be worthwhile.

Mate I lived in Perth for ten years, and I know that the Eagles and to a lesser extent Freo literally run that town. I would be massively surprised if the Eagles and Freo's recruiting networks and local plugged in knowledge doesn't just shade MJPs (no disrespect to MJP), yet they didn't pick Garlett up.....

[jeemak]

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Mate I lived in Perth for ten years, and I know that the Eagles and to a lesser extent Freo literally run that town. I would be massively surprised if the Eagles and Freo's recruiting networks and local plugged in knowledge doesn't just shade MJPs (no disrespect to MJP), yet they didn't pick Garlett up.....

Fair enough. They'd have their own reasons for not taking him, and they obviously didn't think the risk in doing so were outweighed by the potential he has. They also might have realised that if taken, it would be very hard for him to make whatever changes they deemed necessary for him to become an AFL footballer living amongst the same influences that he currently is. Just a thought.

Fremantle's and West Coast's recruiters are just as prone to getting it right, or wrong as everyone elses. Conventional wisdom isn't always the best indicator of what's right and wrong, it will be interesting to see how things pan out in the PND and RD.

[Bornadog]

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And you are absolutely certain that Garlett getting kicked out of the AIS and a few questionable decisions on smoking, drinking and social media is all he has done?

Are you really sure?

Do you really think 18 cut throat professional clubs looking for an edge at almost any cost would all not take a 'Top 5' talent because of these issues.

Do you really think that all 18 clubs would be so stupid and weak. Or is there perhaps even a slight possibility that you and a few others don't actually know the full story of Garlett?

You have no idea who MJP is do you?

Please don't question his knowledge when you don't have any inside information.

[bulldogsthru&thru]

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Doesn't matter what pick is used to pick up Garlett. The risk is still essentially the same: He could cause publicity issues for the club meaning lost sponsorship, fans etc and have a negative affect on young team mates destroying club culture. Sure a failed pick 80 is nothing compared to a failed pick 21 but saying he was worth the punt as it was only a pick in the 80s ignores the fact that if he is on the list he is risking potential lost sponsors and fans. THAT is the risk. Not wasting a pick

[LostDoggy]

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You have no idea who MJP is do you?

Please don't question his knowledge when you don't have any inside information.

Flip it around, please don't question the 18 recruitment departments of the AFL clubs when you don't have any inside information.