Draft Day Talk

[Topdog]

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Decision isnt over IMO. Costs a lot less to draft a rookie and less impact if it goes downhill.

[bulldogtragic]

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Garlett training at the bombers just on ten news. Nothing interesting though. I have my sights on which recycled players we go after.

[azabob]

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Garlett training at the bombers just on ten news. Nothing interesting though. I have my sights on which recycled players we go after.

Long time BT.

Not sure Prismall or Bate can add value. Not sure who else is about that we would look at considering we have no one of note training with us.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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Well.........now we HAVE to get him.
I'm sure we can trump the bombers in both pre season and rookie drafts so now we can kill two birds with one stone.

Get some risky, but absolutely top end talent, and screw the Bombers in the process.

If Essendon are prepared to have a nibble that's good enough for me.

With the salary cap in place and the expansion teams stockpiling the nations young talent, the only way to keep up with or ahead of the pack is to take some risks and think outside the square.

Garlett is a player of exceptional talent and enormous potential. The Bulldogs do not get the opportunity to grab such a talent every decade, at least not since we won a premiership. The expansion teams are stockpiling talent that will mature exactly when our next window of opportunity comes up in about three or four years. We can not afford not to take the chance with Dayle especially as we have a WOOFER, MJP who knows Garlett as a person and footballer, has the interest of the Bulldogs at heart and is passionate about Garlett as being a victim of misunderstanding and believes he will be able to become an AFL player.
If he is too immature there are ways we can help him adjust and if it doesn’t work out we took our chances. If he succeeds the supporters and our sponsors will be ecstatic. The upside is too important to be ignored.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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Garlett is a player of exceptional talent and enormous potential. The Bulldogs do not get the opportunity to grab such a talent every decade, at least not since we won a premiership. The expansion teams are stockpiling talent that will mature exactly when our next window of opportunity comes up in about three or four years. We can not afford not to take the chance with Dayle especially as we have a WOOFER, MJP who knows Garlett as a person and footballer, has the interest of the Bulldogs at heart and is passionate about Garlett as being a victim of misunderstanding and believes he will be able to become an AFL player.
If he is too immature there are ways we can help him adjust and if it doesn’t work out we took our chances. If he succeeds the supporters and our sponsors will be ecstatic. The upside is too important to be ignored.

Absolutely well said. My sentiments exactly.

A. You take a rookie who you KNOW will be a major talent if he knuckles down,
or B. you take a rookie who MIGHT show something someday. Was about to start reeling off names but .....................we all know............
Anyhows.

I'll take option A any day of the week.

Also, let's get real about this.

If we are terrified that one 18 year old kid could turn up and completely morally 'wreck the joint' and drag the club into the dark ages then that's pathetic.

Surely we're better than that. And people keep bringing up Libber as a soft target who will just go along with any loose cannon that turns up I think you are completely wrong.

Libber will be hard as stainless steel after this, If anything Libber will be the one to HELP Garlett. Libber was just used by some dregs of mates from secondary school. He would be as filthy with them as he was with himself.

If I was McCartney I would back myself in.

Address the players and the board and say "we think with our policies and procedures in place we can turn this kid around. IN fact it will PROVE that my system works"

I understand the no dickheads policy but.................

[bulldogtragic]

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Long time BT.

Not sure Prismall or Bate can add value. Not sure who else is about that we would look at considering we have no one of note training with us.

Yeah too long aza, been ill. I share your sentiments which makes the final two spots intriguing.

[azabob]

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Yeah too long aza, been ill. I share your sentiments which makes the final two spots intriguing.

Sorry to hear that, glad to see you are well enough to start posting again.

[Remi Moses]

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Agree with the above .Homestly Bate or Prismall?
Rookie the kid, we talk of "educating" yet we follow like sheep the other clubs!
If he fails, he just follows in behind other rookies we've delisted!

[Remi Moses]

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Garlett is a player of exceptional talent and enormous potential. The Bulldogs do not get the opportunity to grab such a talent every decade, at least not since we won a premiership. The expansion teams are stockpiling talent that will mature exactly when our next window of opportunity comes up in about three or four years. We can not afford not to take the chance with Dayle especially as we have a WOOFER, MJP who knows Garlett as a person and footballer, has the interest of the Bulldogs at heart and is passionate about Garlett as being a victim of misunderstanding and believes he will be able to become an AFL player.
If he is too immature there are ways we can help him adjust and if it doesn’t work out we took our chances. If he succeeds the supporters and our sponsors will be ecstatic. The upside is too important to be ignored.

Agree entirely, we've got a bloke who coaches and knows the kid and follows our club.
Remember another indigenous kid we had called Les Bamblett who we took a chance with, and not for injury would have been a great player.

[GVGjr]

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If we are terrified that one 18 year old kid could turn up and completely morally 'wreck the joint' and drag the club into the dark ages then that's pathetic.

Surely we're better than that. And people keep bringing up Libber as a soft target who will just go along with any loose cannon that turns up I think you are completely wrong.

Libber will be hard as stainless steel after this, If anything Libber will be the one to HELP Garlett.

I'm all for us having a good look at Garlett but no one is saying what I have highlighted above.
What people are saying is that there are good reasons why no club rolled the dice on draft day.

In my opinion clubs have to consider the potential impact to the sponsors and I'm sure this is a major consideration with all clubs who were looking at Garlett.

As for Liberatore, are you sure your comment that "he will be as hard as steel" after his experience is fact or is it more of an assumption?

Personally I don't think he would be ready yet to help anyone else but himself.

[F'scary]

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What are these calls to 'rookie' Garlett. In your dreams. He will get at least one much better offer than this with the PSD. Essendon have started the bidding war.

Let's stick to our original decision and move on.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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I'm all for us having a good look at Garlett but no one is saying what I have highlighted above.
What people are saying is that there are good reasons why no club rolled the dice on draft day.

In my opinion clubs have to consider the potential impact to the sponsors and I'm sure this is a major consideration with all clubs who were looking at Garlett.

As for Liberatore, are you sure your comment that "he will be as hard as steel" after his experience is fact or is it more of an assumption?

Personally I don't think he would be ready yet to help anyone else but himself.

Have to admit it is an assumption, but based on similar experiences I've personally had with other players being dragged backwards by dodgy (but well bred, well educated and wealthy) 'mates' (think private school).
This was in the nineties and I could just see their careers being hampered by wanting to be 'cool'.

I see Libber snapping out of it pretty damn quickly.

Hope I'm right?

[GVGjr]

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Have to admit it's an assumption but base on similar experiences with other players being dragged backwards by dodgy (but well bred, well educated and wealthy) 'mates'.
I see libber snapping out of it pretty damn quickly.

Hope I'm right?

This is the thing with youngsters that get off track because we always want to see the best in people.
Maybe Liberatore is made of sterner stuff than most but I think we are minimizing things if we assume its all right behind him now.

I'm tipping that Garlett won't all off a sudden just mature over night and we all need to understand that it will take time and a considerable effort. As talented as he is the clubs know its not as easy as just providing him with the opportunity.

It sounds bold and gutsy to say ignore the behavioral facts and just focus on his footy ability but I'm still thinking there is a lot more to it.

[LostDoggy]

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What are these calls to 'rookie' Garlett. In your dreams. He will get at least one much better offer than this with the PSD. Essendon have started the bidding war.

Let's stick to our original decision and move on.

This. Whether McCartney is a great coach or not (I think he might be) he has a solid track record as a leader of men and a developer of talent. Whilst he's not directly responsible for the decision there is no doubt he will have had significant input. The decision was made at the draft when we passed. We need a committed team to build a foundation on for our next tilt. Sometimes that means overlooking good talent because their approach won't fit the team being built. I'm happy to pass albeit its a real shame for the kid.

[jeemak]

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Have to admit it is an assumption, but based on similar experiences I've personally had with other players being dragged backwards by dodgy (but well bred, well educated and wealthy) 'mates' (think private school).
This was in the nineties and I could just see their careers being hampered by wanting to be 'cool'.

I see Libber snapping out of it pretty damn quickly.

Hope I'm right?

I'm not sure if your faith in Liberatore is bound by the colours he wears or the way he plays the game, or potentially because you know him and his family.

If it's either of the former two, then I think you're displaying the same level of naivety applied by those both wanting or not wanting to draft Garlett without really knowing much about him aside from his talent. I'm also a little staggered how you can pin Liberatore's behaviour to the influence of well bred, wealthy and educated mates (inferring those three go together like peas, beans and carrots). I grew up knowing poor kids, kids in the middle and rich kids, and the reality is amongst them all you had a pretty even distribution of deadshits and good kids, just by varying degrees.

I know it's an opinion based forum, though I find it difficult that so many people are either vehemently for or against drafting a player based on the opinions of those bemoaned so often for poor drafting choices over the years. I can't help but think that if we used the Prudden pick on Garlett and he flopped, there'd be a ridiculous amount of posters ready to state how badly we got it wrong considering all other clubs had two chances to get him by that stage of the draft!

DD, this isn't a crack at you mate. I suppose I struggle with character determinations over the internet based on information provided by journalists and visions of young kids being stupid young kids over the internet.

If the recruitment team decide to take a punt on him in the RD then great. He's obviously got talent and they think the club can work with him to ensure he becomes a player. If they don't, then that's probably a sign we're not confident in our ability to manage him and we need to look as the reasons why that's the case, particularly if another club is able to do so giving them an advantage.