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  • boydogs
    WOOF Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 5844

    Re: Psd

    Originally posted by Doc26
    Just looking for a bit of clarification on the process for delisted free agents and the PSD as the AFL is wanting in its lack documentatin to the public on these matters.
    Dunno, maybe the players have to nominate for the PSD to be a part of it
    If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

    Formerly gogriff

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    • jazzadogs
      Bulldog Team of the Century
      • Oct 2008
      • 5645

      Re: Psd

      Originally posted by Doc26
      I'm a bit confused by the delisted player free agency ruling in the lead up to the pre season draft.

      Reports indicate that Dylan Roberton has been signed by the Saints on the 29th Nov as a delisted free agent.

      Does this latest signing still mean St Kilda must use a PSD selection for him or is this outside the PSD process ? Not that I'm at all suggesting it but could we still select Roberton with our PSD pick given that ours is before St Kilda's or is he now St Kilda's regardless. Assuming the latter, what's stopping Nick Lower for example signing with us like Roberton did with St Kilda pre the PSD ?

      Just looking for a bit of clarification on the process for delisted free agents and the PSD as the AFL is wanting in its lack documentatin to the public on these matters.
      Any player that is delisted by his club automatically becomes a 'delisted free agent' and can be secured by any club at any time during the 'delisted free agency' period. This period ended on November 28th.

      I'm not sure why we didn't take this option with Lower, I assume that we were still deciding which direction we were going to take with the PSD/rookie draft.

      It will be interesting to see how we go about the PSD now that we seem to be targeting Lower and Prismall.

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      • bulldogtragic
        The List Manager
        • Jan 2007
        • 34289

        Re: Psd

        Originally posted by jazzadogs
        Any player that is delisted by his club automatically becomes a 'delisted free agent' and can be secured by any club at any time during the 'delisted free agency' period. This period ended on November 28th.

        I'm not sure why we didn't take this option with Lower, I assume that we were still deciding which direction we were going to take with the PSD/rookie draft.

        It will be interesting to see how we go about the PSD now that we seem to be targeting Lower and Prismall.
        Brain fade, we should have taken Lower as a delisted FA.
        Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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        • Doc26
          Coaching Staff
          • Sep 2009
          • 3087

          Re: Psd

          Originally posted by jazzadogs
          Any player that is delisted by his club automatically becomes a 'delisted free agent' and can be secured by any club at any time during the 'delisted free agency' period. This period ended on November 28th.

          I'm not sure why we didn't take this option with Lower, I assume that we were still deciding which direction we were going to take with the PSD/rookie draft.

          It will be interesting to see how we go about the PSD now that we seem to be targeting Lower and Prismall.
          Originally posted by bulldogtragic
          Brain fade, we should have taken Lower as a delisted FA.
          Thanks JazzaDogs. This is what has confused me. If we are seriously interested in picking up Prismall and/or Lower then we could've gone that route by 28Nov. Maybe there is someone else in mind for our first selection who wasn't a delisted player. The Tippet option may yet be one we're contemplating otherwise something would seem amiss.

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          • LongWait
            WOOF Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 936

            Re: Psd

            Originally posted by jazzadogs
            Any player that is delisted by his club automatically becomes a 'delisted free agent' and can be secured by any club at any time during the 'delisted free agency' period. This period ended on November 28th.

            I'm not sure why we didn't take this option with Lower, I assume that we were still deciding which direction we were going to take with the PSD/rookie draft.

            It will be interesting to see how we go about the PSD now that we seem to be targeting Lower and Prismall.
            Not every player that is delisted becomes a free agent. If a player is not otherwise eligible for free agency and is offered but refuses a contract, the player is considered to have delisted themselves. They must then enter the draft process and be selected at one of the draft meetings. Toy is not eligible for free agency for this reason. I'm not sure of Lower's status, but he may be in the same boat.

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            • Doc26
              Coaching Staff
              • Sep 2009
              • 3087

              Re: Psd

              Originally posted by LongWait
              Not every player that is delisted becomes a free agent. If a player is not otherwise eligible for free agency and is offered but refuses a contract, the player is considered to have delisted themselves. They must then enter the draft process and be selected at one of the draft meetings. Toy is not eligible for free agency for this reason. I'm not sure of Lower's status, but he may be in the same boat.
              Ok so the plot thickens. Thanks LongWait.

              Would not have thought either Prismall or Lower were offered new contracts by their respective Clubs unless of course a guaranteed PSD or rookie spot selection by them is deemed a new contract which by JazzaDogs description means they should've been available to be signed by us by the 28Nov.

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              • bulldogtragic
                The List Manager
                • Jan 2007
                • 34289

                Re: Psd

                Originally posted by Doc26
                Ok so the plot thickens. Thanks LongWait.

                Would not have thought either Prismall or Lower were offered new contracts by their respective Clubs unless of course a guaranteed PSD or rookie spot selection by them is deemed a new contract which by JazzaDogs description means they should've been available to be signed by us by the 28Nov.
                From what I understand Prismall was offered a one year deal and Lower was delisted but was then offered a new deal when Nick Riewoldts look a like retired.
                Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                • Doc26
                  Coaching Staff
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 3087

                  Re: Psd

                  Originally posted by bulldogtragic
                  From what I understand Prismall was offered a one year deal and Lower was delisted but was then offered a new deal when Nick Riewoldts look a like retired.
                  Ok I get it now. Thanks Bulldogtragic. A contract offer on the table, however small, from Essendon to Prismall and one from Freo to Lower would then explain why we take the PSD path with them.

                  Is there anything stopping a Club putting a ludicrously low offer to one of their delisted players to simply stop them getting picked up by a rival Club during the latest free agency period (ending 28Nov) ? Would be a prat of a thing to do by the Club.

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                  • F'scary
                    WOOF Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 4089

                    Re: Psd

                    I am not against the recruitment of Lower.

                    Prismall worries me as he has had a lot of injuries.

                    Does anyone know if we have put him through a medical?

                    Is anyone feeling differently about recruiting Prismall - that is, thinks he fits the bill (to bolster our ready-to-go experienced list)?
                    Officially on the Bus-wagon

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                    • bulldogtragic
                      The List Manager
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 34289

                      Re: Psd

                      Originally posted by F'scary
                      I am not against the recruitment of Lower.

                      Prismall worries me as he has had a lot of injuries.

                      Does anyone know if we have put him through a medical?

                      Is anyone feeling differently about recruiting Prismall - that is, thinks he fits the bill (to bolster our ready-to-go experienced list)?
                      List clogger.
                      Rocket Science: the epitaph for the Beveridge era - whenever it ends - reading 'Here lies a team that could beat anyone on its day, but seldom did when it mattered most'. 15/7/2023

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                      • G-Mo77
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9876

                        Re: Psd

                        Originally posted by Doc26
                        Is there anything stopping a Club putting a ludicrously low offer to one of their delisted players to simply stop them getting picked up by a rival Club during the latest free agency period (ending 28Nov) ? Would be a prat of a thing to do by the Club.
                        That's probably what Essendon did, sounds like something they'd do.

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                        • LongWait
                          WOOF Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 936

                          Re: Psd

                          Originally posted by Doc26
                          Ok I get it now. Thanks Bulldogtragic. A contract offer on the table, however small, from Essendon to Prismall and one from Freo to Lower would then explain why we take the PSD path with them.

                          Is there anything stopping a Club putting a ludicrously low offer to one of their delisted players to simply stop them getting picked up by a rival Club during the latest free agency period (ending 28Nov) ? Would be a prat of a thing to do by the Club.
                          There are minimums that apply to salary components for contracts but I guess the minimum possible payment on a one year contract qualifies as an offer and prevents a player becoming a free agent.

                          As you implied Doc - it would be pretty poor form for a club to do this to a player who once was paid more than the minimum, especially if they had first delisted the player. The exception probably being a relatively highly paid player who hadn't performed.

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                          • boydogs
                            WOOF Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 5844

                            Re: Psd

                            Originally posted by Doc26
                            Just looking for a bit of clarification on the process for delisted free agents and the PSD as the AFL is wanting in its lack documentatin to the public on these matters.
                            Well, we got our man

                            If you kicked five goals and Tom Boyd kicked five goals, Tom Boyd kicked more goals than you.

                            Formerly gogriff

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                            • jazzadogs
                              Bulldog Team of the Century
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 5645

                              Re: Psd

                              I got those dates off the AFL website (link)....am I missing something?

                              Not complaining though, glad we got him!

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                              • DOG GOD
                                Bulldog Team of the Century
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 6545

                                Re: Psd

                                Originally posted by gogriff
                                Good news.
                                I will never see #16 the same!!

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