Hrovat Appreciation Society

[Mofra]

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Surely it's easier (with limited information) to just choose a side of an argument and stick with it no matter what?

We would have got more for Lake if we sacked the coach

[Chicago1]

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[BertNewton] I like the boy! [/BertNewton]

A bit timely? I'm sure most of you are too young to remember.

[Twodogs]

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[BertNewton] I like the boy! [/BertNewton]

A bit timely? I'm sure most of you are too young to remember.

Sadly I am not.




Did you say 'boy' or 'Roy'

[Raw Toast]

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While I too, remain unconvinced that we got as much as the Hawks would have been willing to pay for Lake, I've liked the Hrovat pick from the start, and his debut was very, very pleasing.

[Maddog37]

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Would it feel any better if the trade helped us get a reputation as a good club to deal with? Is that of any tangible benefit at all?

[stefoid]

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No way we got Hrovat with pick 27. The pick turned a somewhat distasteful trade into a real winner.

[Guido]

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I'm not questioning your credibility - I'm saying that your Hawthorn "employee" is telling you a story about the Lake trade that I am very confident is incorrect.

I have no reason to doubt his word - he's been a teammate of mine for years and never been someone to big note himself ... but if you get the chance, ask your mate whether internally they had resolved that a straight swap of their first pick was the maximum they were willing to part with, and, secondly, if they were celebrating after the deal got done.

If the bloke you know confirms exactly that, I'm sure I can trust you to post it?

I love how people think the Lake trade wasn't weeks in the making.

The length of discussions is inconsequential in comparison to the price paid. Two years ago we held firm on the asking price for Josh Hill - whether the clubs were negotiating for a month, a week, Hawthorn initially rejected the price ... on the last day they come in with an offer of a second and fourth round pick. For Josh Hill. Holding firm when the other party really wants what you have = good outcomes.

No way we got Hrovat with pick 27.

No-one is saying we would have?

Anyway, I apologise to everyone for contributing towards derailing the thread. I think our negotiating skills and decision making in trades is a very relevant discussion for the club going forward - seeing Hrovat debuting for, say, a Collingwood this year while Dawes was stinking it up for us on $500K would have just about sent me over the edge - but this thread wasn't the time or place.

So back to the Nathan Hrovat love - as a midget myself, I'm also very happy that someone shorter than 5'9" will still be on an AFL list for the next 10 years. *fist pump that almost reaches 6 feet in the air*

[jeemak]

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I suppose tying up the Lake deal early provided us with options to use the picks generated from it throughout the trade period, rather than having nothing to facilitate an fairly open strategy towards player acquisition. Rightly or wrongly (and thankfully we used it in the fashion we did eventually).

Often I find the club trade and list management debate to be similar to political debate. There's not a lot of middle ground occupied, and most seem polarised in their opinions of the direction the club might have taken, or should have taken.

There's always tensions between various outcomes, for the most part with limited information at hand it's pretty hard to choose a side. We can have people on the inside, we can look from the outside in and interpret the information available to us with the best level of objectivity we can muster. Though at the end of the day, none of us really know and probably never will.

[ledge]

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This is my thoughts on the trade, Lake 2 years left and we aren't in a premiership window, I believe we got Hrovat and Stevens for him, 10 year players with huge upside, I know who won that trade by a country mile! Maybe I am wrong or right but that's my spin and it sounds pretty amazing :-)
By the way Hrovat is an absolute beauty.

[LostDoggy]

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This is my thoughts on the trade, Lake 2 years left and we aren't in a premiership window, I believe we got Hrovat and Stevens for him, 10 year players with huge upside, I know who won that trade by a country mile! Maybe I am wrong or right but that's my spin and it sounds pretty amazing :-)
By the way Hrovat is an absolute beauty.

Here here. Lets not de-rail a Hrovat Appreciation thread with ongoing speculation about some Harris/Lake/Whatever bloke, and stick to the topic at hand.

The kid is a smooth mover and will be a prolific ballwinner. I cannot wait to see our midfield in 5 years time with the kids coming through.

Hrovat Macrae Hunter Stringer.

Regardless of what the media say (comparing us to Melbourne? Really? ) the future at the kennel looks inspiring.

[Sedat]

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I have no reason to doubt his word - he's been a teammate of mine for years and never been someone to big note himself ... but if you get the chance, ask your mate whether internally they had resolved that a straight swap of their first pick was the maximum they were willing to part with, and, secondly, if they were celebrating after the deal got done.

If the bloke you know confirms exactly that, I'm sure I can trust you to post it?

The length of discussions is inconsequential in comparison to the price paid. Two years ago we held firm on the asking price for Josh Hill - whether the clubs were negotiating for a month, a week, Hawthorn initially rejected the price ... on the last day they come in with an offer of a second and fourth round pick. For Josh Hill. Holding firm when the other party really wants what you have = good outcomes.

No-one is saying we would have?

Anyway, I apologise to everyone for contributing towards derailing the thread. I think our negotiating skills and decision making in trades is a very relevant discussion for the club going forward - seeing Hrovat debuting for, say, a Collingwood this year while Dawes was stinking it up for us on $500K would have just about sent me over the edge - but this thread wasn't the time or place.

So back to the Nathan Hrovat love - as a midget myself, I'm also very happy that someone shorter than 5'9" will still be on an AFL list for the next 10 years. *fist pump that almost reaches 6 feet in the air*

Well said on all counts Guido.

Kerry Packer used to say than an "Alan Bond only comes around once in your lifetime". Well for us it is Mark Neeld - he saved us from our own stupidity by offering the farm for Chris Dawes, thus allowing us to keep pick 21 and use it to snare a draft slider and pure footballer like Hrovat. No matter how we got there, at least the end result is positive.

[Bulldog4life]

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Back on to the topic of what this thread should be about. Nathan Hrovat. A little beauty. Looking forward to see his improvement over the years. Very happy that we made sure we secured Nathan in the draft.

[F'scary]

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I agree Remi, I am sick and tired of the same old discussions on what trade we did wrong and blaming every man and his dog from the past on our current list. What happened has happened, we can't change a bloody thing, so lets move forward. What is important is what we do from now on.

Come on, BAD. It is good grist for the mill.

[Bornadog]

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Come on, BAD. It is good grist for the mill.

Must look to the future, the past is too bleak

[LongWait]

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Guido - I have stated that a straight swap of Lake for the Hawks first round pick was never going to fly - Hawthorn proposed that we pay some of Lake's salary and various proposals were considered and, ultimately, the clubs reached agreement involving a swap of picks instead of us paying any of Lake's salary.

If Fantasia was as poor in this negotiation as you claim, why then would they only a few months later sign him up on a multi-year deal as their Football Manager?

I'd suggest some of the staff at Hawthorn are bragging at getting Lake and exaggerating - it happens in organisations every day. "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story."