Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

What are the likeliness that the following players will be able to get a spot in the Round 1 side?

From that lost I would say;

Johannisen- Yes
Lower- Yes
Young- No
Stevens- Maybe
Goodes- Yes
Cordy- Probably but I wouldn't pick him
Howard- Probably but I wouldn't pick him
Tutt- No
Talia- Yes
Addison- Yes
Hrovat- No
Stinger- No
Macrae- Maybe

[Dry Rot]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

How has been Roberts been travelling? Wasn't he good up forward in last year's VFL finals?

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

How has been Roberts been travelling? Wasn't he good up forward in last year's VFL finals?

He had a good first season at the club, he played consistently well in defence followed by a good finals series up forward. I'm not sure how he's been going preseason, supporters haven't had much to view, but he looks like he's bulked up even more which is promising. I think we'll see him play a few games this year but maybe not early on.

[SonofScray]

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From that lost I would say;

Johannisen- Yes
Lower- Yes
Young- No
Stevens- Maybe
Goodes- Yes
Cordy- Probably but I wouldn't pick him
Howard- Probably but I wouldn't pick him
Tutt- No
Talia- Yes
Addison- Yes
Hrovat- No
Stinger- No
Macrae- Maybe

See it the same way. Young might get a shot, he seemed to slot into the backline comfortably.

Just couldn't justify picking Cordy at this stage, starting lose faith in him being able to deliver. He doesn't give us much on current form, neither here nor there whereas Campbell and Minson are a bit more definitive in their play for those tall positions. No room for Ayce for a while I think.

[jeemak]

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See it the same way. Young might get a shot, he seemed to slot into the backline comfortably.

Just couldn't justify picking Cordy at this stage, starting lose faith in him being able to deliver. He doesn't give us much on current form, neither here nor there whereas Campbell and Minson are a bit more definitive in their play for those tall positions. No room for Ayce for a while I think.

I assume we all agree that Cordy needs more game time to develop, but many around here think he shouldn't be picked on current output, and subsequently denied that game time.

That confuses me. Two seasons wrecked by injury, and a body that was significantly underdevelopled was always going to point to him needing a lot of time in the seniors before he produced.

We're in a development phase. Part of the phase is playing players whos output is limited and just dealing with it as part of a broader process.

We've given Cordy a three year deal, and if we don't get games into him it's going to be a wasted three years.

[Eastdog]

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I assume we all agree that Cordy needs more game time to develop, but many around here think he shouldn't be picked on current output, and subsequently denied that game time.

That confuses me. Two seasons wrecked by injury, and a body that was significantly underdevelopled was always going to point to him needing a lot of time in the seniors before he produced.

We're in a development phase. Part of the phase is playing players whos output is limited and just dealing with it as part of a broader process.

We've given Cordy a three year deal, and if we don't get games into him it's going to be a wasted three years.

What role would Ayce Cordy play in our side jeemak? Would you compare how Ayce Cordy is going to Cameron Wight who was a tall but eventually was delisted.

[Mofra]

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From that lost I would say;

Johannisen- Yes
Lower- Yes
Young- No
Stevens- Maybe
Goodes- Yes
Cordy- Probably but I wouldn't pick him
Howard- Probably but I wouldn't pick him
Tutt- No
Talia- Yes
Addison- Yes
Hrovat- No
Stinger- No
Macrae- Maybe

Tend to agree (I'll stop pushing the JJ for best 22 case now before I start ranting again ), I think Stevens will surprise and take Howard's spot before pre-season is over.

The tall backs will be interesting. I'm still expecting Roughie to play at this stage, Williams to miss with an extended recovery/pre-season which means at least one other tall backman will be selected.

[Mofra]

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Would you compare how Ayce Cordy is going to Cameron Wight who was a tall but eventually was delisted.

I think they're different players - Wight played as an outside mid in a 200cm+ body, who would play ok 98% of the time then make a couple of absolute howlers.
Cordy is going to take time given how much development he's missed and how much he's changed his body shape in a couple of years. I still think he'll get there but I don't think he's ready yet - but we don't have much else.

I actually think Roughie could be one of our best forward options but he is earmarked for defence.

[lemmon]

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Im a bit more concerned now after seeing the improved performance Port put forward. We looked a long way off their standard and are the sort of team we should be marking ourselves against

[Greystache]

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I assume we all agree that Cordy needs more game time to develop, but many around here think he shouldn't be picked on current output, and subsequently denied that game time.

That confuses me. Two seasons wrecked by injury, and a body that was significantly underdevelopled was always going to point to him needing a lot of time in the seniors before he produced.

We're in a development phase. Part of the phase is playing players whos output is limited and just dealing with it as part of a broader process.

We've given Cordy a three year deal, and if we don't get games into him it's going to be a wasted three years.

I understand the concept of young guys needing game time and all those things but I question what has Cordy actually shown to justify being gifted games so he can develop? What is it about Cordy that justifies the investment over any other generic tall kid? Nothing I've seen in his 5 years suggests there's any more to work with than T Hill, T Campbell, Redpath, Roberts, or and handful of tall kids who've been delisted from other clubs.

I've got no problem gifting young kids games they don't deserve when a team is rebuilding but the kid needs to at least show signs of promise even if they're inconsistent. I don't see that when I watch Cordy play. It wasn't so long ago you played 100 AFL matches because you were a very good footballer, now days some kids get 100 just to see if they can't play.

Cordy reminds me of GVGjr's signature.

[Bornadog]

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I understand the concept of young guys needing game time and all those things but I question what has Cordy actually shown to justify being gifted games so he can develop? What is it about Cordy that justifies the investment over any other generic tall kid? Nothing I've seen in his 5 years suggests there's any more to work with than T Hill, T Campbell, Redpath, Roberts, or and handful of tall kids who've been delisted from other clubs.

I've got no problem gifting young kids games they don't deserve when a team is rebuilding but the kid needs to at least show signs of promise even if they're inconsistent. I don't see that when I watch Cordy play. It wasn't so long ago you played 100 AFL matches because you were a very good footballer, now days some kids get 100 just to see if they can't play.

Cordy reminds me of GVGjr's signature.

I agree with what you are saying, but seems the coaches see more than us mere mortals.

[Eastdog]

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Im a bit more concerned now after seeing the improved performance Port put forward. We looked a long way off their standard and are the sort of team we should be marking ourselves against

From what we saw of Port last season they still have a long way to go but I thought we did show some better signs in the Collingwood match. I hope our fitness is a lot better this year so we can run out matches.

[Greystache]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

Just watched the replay of the Collingwood game. What was noticeable was the improved disposal of Clay Smith, he was actually one of our better users on the day.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

Im a bit more concerned now after seeing the improved performance Port put forward. We looked a long way off their standard and are the sort of team we should be marking ourselves against

I disagree , Port Adelaide have been rebuilding since 08.
They should be further advanced than us.
We were top 4,they were bottom.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Game Day - 2013 NAB Cup - Dogs vs Bombers/Pies

I understand the concept of young guys needing game time and all those things but I question what has Cordy actually shown to justify being gifted games so he can develop? What is it about Cordy that justifies the investment over any other generic tall kid? Nothing I've seen in his 5 years suggests there's any more to work with than T Hill, T Campbell, Redpath, Roberts, or and handful of tall kids who've been delisted from other clubs.

I've got no problem gifting young kids games they don't deserve when a team is rebuilding but the kid needs to at least show signs of promise even if they're inconsistent. I don't see that when I watch Cordy play. It wasn't so long ago you played 100 AFL matches because you were a very good footballer, now days some kids get 100 just to see if they can't play.

Cordy reminds me of GVGjr's signature.

Unfortunately I agree. What role is he going to play?
Hasn't shown anything for me so far. He gets pushed aside and looks lost to be honest.
Howard at least has shown glimpses in games, as has Jones.