Match Committee- Round 5 vs Geelong

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Re: Match Committee- Round 5 vs Geelong

[QUOTE=jeemak;317216]But he's being groomed as a back up ruckman/forward pocket, not a specialist key forward. The idea with players like Cordy, once they mature and fill a spot in a well structured forward line is they stretch the defense.



Love your posts, sorry to annoy but did you know "defense' is an Americanism, it's a verb and "defence" is the noun.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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The reality is Cordy is tall and plays in the forward line but that is the only way he can be described as a tall forward. He doesn't mark over head ever and struggles to make a contest let alone impact one. Cordy is a tall in much the same way as Cameron Wight was, he has fairly good agility for his height and is reasonable at ground level, but doesn't actually have any of the attributes of a key position player, ie marking, body strength, ability to lead or read the flight of the ball better than his opponents etc. He's basically a mid sized player who lacks the athleticism to play that role.

Mofra I rarely disagree with you but o no, did you have to mention Cam Wight in the same breath as Cordy? You're pointing the bone at him, he will wither away to nothing.
Seriously, I guess what you say illuminates why we chased Chris Dawes with big money; the coaching staff must see Cordy's position as the most critically weak to our setup.

[jeemak]

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[QUOTE=BornInDroopSt'54;317267]

But he's being groomed as a back up ruckman/forward pocket, not a specialist key forward. The idea with players like Cordy, once they mature and fill a spot in a well structured forward line is they stretch the defense.



Love your posts, sorry to annoy but did you know "defense' is an Americanism, it's a verb and "defence" is the noun.

No, I didn't. Noted, I'll be making the appropriate adjustments with which to move forward.

[jeemak]

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[QUOTE=BornInDroopSt'54;317269]

The reality is Cordy is tall and plays in the forward line but that is the only way he can be described as a tall forward. He doesn't mark over head ever and struggles to make a contest let alone impact one. Cordy is a tall in much the same way as Cameron Wight was, he has fairly good agility for his height and is reasonable at ground level, but doesn't actually have any of the attributes of a key position player, ie marking, body strength, ability to lead or read the flight of the ball better than his opopponents etc. He's basically a mid sized player who lacks the athleticism to play that role.

Mofra I rarely disagree with you but o no, did you have to mention Cam Wight in the same breath as Cordy? You're pointing the bone at him, he will wither away to nothing.
Seriously, I guess what you say illuminates why we chased Chris Dawes with big money; the coaching staff must see Cordy's position as the most critically weak to our setup.

Greystache, you mean?

[BornInDroopSt'54]

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[QUOTE=jeemak;317271]

Greystache, you mean?

Yes Greystache not Mofra sorry and thanks Jeemak.

[ratsmac]

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I am surprised by so many calling for Roberts to selected in the side. He kicked 3 goals in a 89 point win. As a forward I would say that is below par. 1 goal a quarter would be par IMO. He should have to earn his spot in the team and not just be gifted one due to someone else's poor form. The ideal scenario would be that Roberts forces the MC to select him because he is showing that he is ready to step up and then drop someone on poor from. I like Roberts but he still needs to develop some more in the VFL IMO.

I believe that Gia is on borrowed time and has Ves breathing down his neck. Gia has been so disappointing last year and is continuing the trend this year. It is terrible to see someone who I used to love to watch play football struggle to even get to a contest. Gia is probably safe due to the growing injury list, but for me he is a massive liability to the team atm and has to step aside.

Ves probably deserves another crack at the big time even though he has played well in 2 easy wins at VFL level. I would love to see him dominate in a close game and show that he has some heart. However his efforts can't go unrewarded for too long before his confidence get crushed if he is overlooked again. At least he has nice disposal that we could desperately use right now.

That said...

OUT - Griffen (inj), Gia, Tutt
IN - Addison, Ves, Talia

B - Morris, Roughy, Addison
HB - Goodes, Young, Talia, Cross (loose),
C- Picken, Boyd, Macrae
HF - Dal, Jones, Ves
F - Cordy, Stringer

Foll - Minson, Libba, Cooney
Int - Stevens, Lower, Wallis
Sub - JJ

[Bornadog]

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OUT - Griffen (inj), Gia, Tutt

Tutt is an interesting one. Many posters rated his game on the weekend and some gave him votes, others want to drop him.

I thought he started really well but faded out and will be better for the run. Personally I wouldn't drop him. I hate bringing in players for one game only, I think he needs at least three and lets see how he goes.

[Ozza]

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Tutt is an interesting one. Many posters rated his game on the weekend and some gave him votes, others want to drop him.

I thought he started really well but faded out and will be better for the run. Personally I wouldn't drop him. I hate bringing in players for one game only, I think he needs at least three and lets see how he goes.

I agree Bornadog. I'd like to see Tutt have a good go at it over at least 3-4 weeks.

I think when he backs himself - he can be a good player. He certainly has attributes that we don't have in spades currently. His main positive was his intent to tackle on the weekend.

Actually, within about 2 minutes of each other - I saw a poor missed tackle by Crossy, and then a terriffic tackle applied by Tutt. It was twilight zone stuff.

If we can get the ball in Tutt's hands a bit over the next few weeks - he may get some confidence up, and show us something.

[Greystache]

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Mofra I rarely disagree with you but o no, did you have to mention Cam Wight in the same breath as Cordy? You're pointing the bone at him, he will wither away to nothing.
Seriously, I guess what you say illuminates why we chased Chris Dawes with big money; the coaching staff must see Cordy's position as the most critically weak to our setup.

Other than expectations, they're on the same level. In fact at the same stage of their respective careers you could easily argue Wight is ahead. My point is neither is actually a key position player in the true sense despite both being 200cm+

[Sedat]

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If we can get the ball in Tutt's hands a bit over the next few weeks - he may get some confidence up, and show us something.

I have more faith in Tutt making it as an AFL player than Howard. He still has a long way to go but the renewed defensive intent coupled with his pace and attacking instincts give him some chance of making it.

I think Dalrymple has done some good things at the ND and rookie drafts since he took over from Clayton, but his first ND was an absolute disaster and has set the timing of our rebuild back by 12 months as a result.

[Sedat]

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Other than expectations, they're on the same level. In fact at the same stage of their respective careers you could easily argue Wight is ahead. My point is neither is actually a key position player in the true sense despite both being 200cm+

Couldn't agree more. Height doesn't = KPF, it is the hunger to compete that dictates whether or not a KPF will be successful. Brad Johnson was a better KPF than Cordy ever will be. And Stringer at 191cms will be a terrific KPF because he has that instinctive hunger and desire to compete that a Cordy currently lacks (and in all likelihood will never capture).

[Missing-Dog]

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Couldn't agree more. Height doesn't = KPF, it is the hunger to compete that dictates whether or not a KPF will be successful. Brad Johnson was a better KPF than Cordy ever will be. And Stringer at 191cms will be a terrific KPF because he has that instinctive hunger and desire to compete that a Cordy currently lacks (and in all likelihood will never capture).

Completely agree, Stringer is too short in most peoples books to be a kpf, yet, he could turn out to be 1 of the best in teh competition. Its the hungry and drive that makes them.. Cordy has the assets, but does he have teh hunger (along with Grant who has more assets then bh imo)

[Happy Days]

Re: Match Committee- Round 5 vs Geelong

I am surprised by so many calling for Roberts to selected in the side. He kicked 3 goals in a 89 point win. As a forward I would say that is below par. 1 goal a quarter would be par IMO. He should have to earn his spot in the team and not just be gifted one due to someone else's poor form. The ideal scenario would be that Roberts forces the MC to select him because he is showing that he is ready to step up and then drop someone on poor from. I like Roberts but he still needs to develop some more in the VFL IMO.


Ves probably deserves another crack at the big time even though he has played well in 2 easy wins at VFL level. I would love to see him dominate in a close game and show that he has some heart. However his efforts can't go unrewarded for too long before his confidence get crushed if he is overlooked again. At least he has nice disposal that we could desperately use right now.

Roberts would have had 6 if he didn't have to kick into the Willy hurricane and took a set shot from 1 metre out instead of playing on for reasons unfathomable. As for Vez, I understand the caution of his dominance, but dude was everywhere; worked his arse off to be first to the ball at all times, which is the big knock on him, no?

In: Addison, Roberts, Vez
Out: Cordy, Gia, Griffen

Everyone has Stringer playing again; is he the sub again? Is playing 30 minutes really the way to build a match fitness base?

[soupman]

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FB: 38. Morris, 23. Roughead, 33. Lower
HB: 44. Goodes, 31. Young, 39. Johanissen
C: 11. Macrae, 5. Boyd, 17. Cooney
HF: 15. Tutt, 19. Jones, 6. Dahlhaus
FF: 9. Stringer, 49. Cordy, 8. Veszpremi
R: 27. Minson, 21. Liberatore, 25. Stevens

Int: 42. Picken, 3. Wallis, 4. Cross, 14. Smith (sub)

In: Veszpremi, Smith
Out: Griffen, Giansiracusa

[Bornadog]

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FB: 38. Morris, 23. Roughead, 33. Lower
HB: 44. Goodes, 31. Young, 39. Johanissen
C: 11. Macrae, 5. Boyd, 17. Cooney
HF: 15. Tutt, 19. Jones, 6. Dahlhaus
FF: 9. Stringer, 49. Cordy, 8. Veszpremi
R: 27. Minson, 21. Liberatore, 25. Stevens

Int: 42. Picken, 3. Wallis, 4. Cross, 14. Smith (sub)

In: Veszpremi, Smith
Out: Griffen, Giansiracusa

agree on this.