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[Sedat]

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The point is nobody is going to hire someone they think they bent over in their most recent dealings with them, it's a simple as that. The most recent experience of a person is the overiding view you have of them, Hawthorn obviously felt he got a good deal and they wanted him to represent them in future negotiations. You may not agree, but they were involved in the dealing and clearly they thought he did it well.

Is this the same Fantasia that was openly derided by Hawthorn after he demanded their first round pick for Josh Hill a couple of year's prior?? They must have short memories. So he went from industry laughing stock to world's best practice in the eyes of Hawthorn after a couple of years?? That assertion is every bit as far-fetched as any conspiracy theory on his departure.

I also seriously doubt a club in as small an industry as AFL football would hire someone who they know was willing to corroborate with a club to the detriment of his current employer for his own personal gain. Again as far as conspiracy theories go this is as far fetched as they get.

I think it's unlikely, but I never discount anything that might or might not happen in this unique industry, that is in many ways still an amateur hour boy's club.

[LongWait]

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Whatever the story, glad he is out of our club as he made so many errors during that period and left us with lots of headaches now and lost opportunity. You can say others were involved in decisions but as far as I am concerned the buck stops with him for all football matters.

Yep. Fantasia was ultimately responsible for all football outcomes.

[Bornadog]

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Yep. Fantasia was ultimately responsible for all football outcomes.

Nice to have some agreement LW

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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Not at all - just suggesting that it would be folly for anybody to use the Lake trade as some sort of high watermark in trade week negotiations. I'm sure Hawthorn didn't use this one isolated trade as part of their rational for hiring him a few months later.

Who would know if it happened or didn't happen? All that is known is that the Lake trade was lopsided in Hawthorn's favour and the bloke that conducted the negotiations on our behalf is now employed by Hawthorn. Might be coincidence, might not be.

I think you will find that the WB wasn't unhappy to let Lake go. He certainly hasn't set the house on fire at Hawthorn. The Hawks were interested in Lake two years before when he was playing well.Lake has been nothing to right home about given his performances in 2011/12 and may just prove to be a shadow of his previous best.

[Bornadog]

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I think you will find that the WB wasn't unhappy to let Lake go. He certainly hasn't set the house on fire at Hawthorn. The Hawks were interested in Lake two years before when he was playing well.Lake has been nothing to right home about given his performances in 2011/12 and may just prove to be a shadow of his previous best.

Has lost weight and looks in pretty good nick.

Its always a shame to lose club champions.

[azabob]

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Has lost weight and looks in pretty good nick.

Its always a shame to lose club champions.

Agree BAD, Im still wondering why he is in better nick now, than for most of his time with us...

[Bornadog]

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Agree BAD, Im still wondering why he is in better nick now, than for most of his time with us...

He was injured the past two years and couldn't get his body right, and now he knows father time is catching up so he has put in a big effort to have that final fling at a premiership.

[AndrewP6]

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Agree BAD, Im still wondering why he is in better nick now, than for most of his time with us...

He was injured the past two years and couldn't get his body right, and now he knows father time is catching up so he has put in a big effort to have that final fling at a premiership.

I read something on the AFL site ( I think), where it said Lake's weight loss was at the request of Clarko and the Dawks fitness staff, supposedly to keep up with the demands of the gme.

[LostDoggy]

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Whatever the story, glad he is out of our club as he made so many errors during that period and left us with lots of headaches now and lost opportunity. You can say others were involved in decisions but as far as I am concerned the buck stops with him for all football matters.

Lake or Fantasia?

[The Pie Man]

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I think you will find that the WB wasn't unhappy to let Lake go. He certainly hasn't set the house on fire at Hawthorn. The Hawks were interested in Lake two years before when he was playing well.Lake has been nothing to right home about given his performances in 2011/12 and may just prove to be a shadow of his previous best.

He's at least got the Hawthorn haircut (thanks Bob )

On a serious note, on limited exposure to date he's been fine - with Schoenmakers going down, he becomes so important to them.

[LostDoggy]

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Mac knows what he is doing...it is a slow approach but will reap the ultimate rewards. Anyone who doubts me revisit this post in 2015. Andrew P76 and others bookmark this, I can't wait to see you eat some humble pie.

[AndrewP6]

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Mac knows what he is doing...it is a slow approach but will reap the ultimate rewards. Anyone who doubts me revisit this post in 2015. Andrew P76 and others bookmark this, I can't wait to see you eat some humble pie.

Any need for a personal comment?

[LostDoggy]

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I'm fine with Lake leaving. If he stayed, what could he do for us? Help us lose by 40 points instead of 60? Gives Roughead and the like a chance to play on some of the best forwards and develop (hopefully) a year or 2 ahead of schedule