Our Defense - a major problem

[G-Mo77]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

Really? I watched the replay and in order they were;

Markovic
Charity (down the field free kick while on Markovic)
Markovic
Austin
Roughead
Charity (Free kick for nothing apparently while on Roughead)

At best I'd give him a generous 2 on Roughead, but actually only best him once in the air.

Interesting. I actually thought Austin was the main one responsible. Either way when I took focus on the contests with Daw it was Austin on him and he was just giving him to much space. I don't know why he could stand in front and try and impede his leads a little more.

I should have taken more notice but was more interested in watching Picken and that germ Harvey off the ball.

[azabob]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

Roughy is doing fine considering we give away so many unpressured inside 50s. Daw was given the ball on a platter because our midfielders were incapable of pressuring the delivery.

Our midfield is our biggest problem. Can't kick, can't spread, can't or won't play defensively. You could have Scarlett at full back and Buddy at full forward - we'd still get beaten with the midfield structure and personnel we have right now.

I also see our midfield as the biggest problem by far for all the reason you listed.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

I also see our midfield as the biggest problem by far for all the reason you listed.

Mids have to play both ways and most don't. It makes the job virtually impossible when that happens. You like at guys like Picken and Lower getting whacked off the ball while trying to defend and never giving up and then to watch the captain of our club stand and watch opponents is very disappointing.

What happened to the guy that tagged out Daniel Kerr in his prime while winning plenty of his own ball?

[Mantis]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

Really? I watched the replay and in order they were;

Markovic
Charity (down the field free kick while on Markovic)
Markovic
Austin
Roughead
Charity (Free kick for nothing apparently while on Roughead)

At best I'd give him a generous 2 on Roughead, but actually only best him once in the air.

From memory Markovic only had 2 goals kicked on him while in defence... One on Daw and the other on Black (when he gave away the 50m)... He was shifted forward by the 15min mark.

[Bornadog]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

From memory Markovic only had 2 goals kicked on him while in defence... One on Daw and the other on Black (when he gave away the 50m)... He was shifted forward by the 15min mark.

Correct

[Mofra]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

My thinking is that without midfield pressure on the ball carrier you're all at sea. The back 6 have been under siege for the majority of the year and have tried their guts out.

This x 1,000

It's difficult looking at he back 6 or forward 6 in isolation when the team is so dependant on itself all over the ground.
Midfield gets smashed, and guess what? The ball coming into the defensive 50 is fast and accurate, a defenders nightmare.
Midfield pressure the ball carrier, you get less defensive 50 entries, hurried less accurate ball, and the defenders' job is much easier.

I'll still back Roughy in, think Young has surprised and could eventually play a lockdown role similar to Morris (I won't use the term "3rd tall" because I think that term is utter bullshit), would love a straight line rebounder (think a Wood-type who actually gets a bit of ball on the rebound) and is very bullish about JJ.

As an aside, if we are talking about position it shouldn't be too hard to find a lock-down BP in the state leagues should it? A Tim Callan type with a very high dose of the bastard-gene.

[The Pie Man]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

Roughy is doing fine considering we give away so many unpressured inside 50s. Daw was given the ball on a platter because our midfielders were incapable of pressuring the delivery.

Our midfield is our biggest problem. Can't kick, can't spread, can't or won't play defensively. You could have Scarlett at full back and Buddy at full forward - we'd still get beaten with the midfield structure and personnel we have right now.

This is the source of the issue - case in point : JJ looking to hit Minson up in the centre from 20 metres away in the 3rd quarter & overcooked it...from the resulting turnover Daw had the prime position deep due to nature of the turnover & ease of disposal into their forward 50.

Pretty hard to defend against that. Wondering how far away cleaner use of the ball is for our guys.

[Greystache]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

From memory Markovic only had 2 goals kicked on him while in defence... One on Daw and the other on Black (when he gave away the 50m)... He was shifted forward by the 15min mark.

I watched the replay of all of his goals, that list is who was on him at the time, I wasn't guessing.

[Greystache]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

As an aside, if we are talking about position it shouldn't be too hard to find a lock-down BP in the state leagues should it? A Tim Callan type with a very high dose of the bastard-gene.

Someone like Hibberd from Essendon who they got from Frankston in the VFL would be nice.

[Bornadog]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

The other issue with the backline is the kick outs after a point. This has been a major problem this year and have been hit and miss. Goodes has been ok, but has also turned it over a few times.

We need more of this:

[G-Mo77]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

If you see on that one Libba just grabbed the ball and kicked to the 2 on 1 contest. Moved the ball quickly and the end result was a goal. Probably a bit lucky but they took a risk and it paid off. I'd love to see more of that than an easy kick sideways or backwards. We're moving the ball too slowly and getting caught out.

[whythelongface]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

If you see on that one Libba just grabbed the ball and kicked to the 2 on 1 contest. Moved the ball quickly and the end result was a goal. Probably a bit lucky but they took a risk and it paid off. I'd love to see more of that than an easy kick sideways or backwards. We're moving the ball too slowly and getting caught out.

Agree. It is a major concern.

There was another kick-in (think it was JJ) where it was driven straight down the middle to the top of the centre square and found one of our players unmarked. That is what I would like to see on a more consistent basis. Obviously easier said than done and is dependant on a good lead and an accurate kick-in.

To many times on the weekend we kicked in and a NM player took a mark and brought the ball back into our defensive 50. Poor decision making skills.

As shown in the video post by BAD a good kick in (or sometimes lucky one in the case of the video) can really set up an end to an end goal. Unfortunately in our case I really shudder when we have a kick-in.

[Bornadog]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

If you see on that one Libba just grabbed the ball and kicked to the 2 on 1 contest. Moved the ball quickly and the end result was a goal. Probably a bit lucky but they took a risk and it paid off. I'd love to see more of that than an easy kick sideways or backwards. We're moving the ball too slowly and getting caught out.

We must have conceded about 3 or 4 goals from the kick outs this week, very frustrating when the game was in the balance early on.

[Mofra]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

Agree. It is a major concern.

There was another kick-in (think it was JJ) where it was driven straight down the middle to the top of the centre square and found one of our players unmarked. That is what I would like to see on a more consistent basis. Obviously easier said than done and is dependant on a good lead and an accurate kick-in.

Goodes will help this - if we have to kick to a contest it would be nice to have JJ at the fall of the ball, one of our few line-breakers.

[Greystache]

Re: Our Defense - a major problem

Goodes will help this - if we have to kick to a contest it would be nice to have JJ at the fall of the ball, one of our few line-breakers.

It'd also be nice to have a tall player to kick the ball to who can take a mark. Jones is the only one we have (other than Markovic at a stretch) and Jones is who the next kick needs to go to.