Bulldogs launch Club's first Indigenous Guernsey

[Webby]

Re: Bulldogs launch Club's first Indigenous Guernsey

Pretty disrespectful to the artist if you ask me not to mention the club.

Well, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Critiquing a piece of art is NOT disrespecting an artist. There is a distinction. I could make a pretty strong argument to point out quite the opposite. It is also plainly NOT disrespectful to the club - which I happen to love and support.

As with critiquing Will Minson's form, or Matty Boyd's disposal, this is not disrespectful to them or the club. As a paid up member and supporter of the club (who, in part pays the wages of said players, marketing staff and commissioned artists), I think I have every right to say that a jumper looks good, bad or or indifferent..

The club's heavily rumoured to be launching a new logo next year. If & when I see it, if I don't like it, I'll say so! And don't expect me to pen a letter of apology to the graphic artist whose wages members like myself will have effectively paid! It's fair game.

[1eyedog]

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Again, no problem with the critique it was how it was delivered - still, as you say your call as a paying member.

If you were at the footy and called Minson a f#*king hack I'm sure you would get more disapproving looks than the post I put up.

I know I know you're a member, fair game etc. etc.

[boydogs]

Re: Bulldogs launch Club's first Indigenous Guernsey

I liked it the first time I saw it, but that was on Twitter where the oval was cut off. The top half looks nice

[Webby]

Re: Bulldogs launch Club's first Indigenous Guernsey

If you were at the footy and called Minson a f#*king hack I'm sure you would get more disapproving looks than the post I put up.

That's a fair analogy, but I think this is where you've lost the plot in applying it to my comment. I'm not calling anyone a f#%king hack. I'm calling the actual jumper terrible - which in my opinion (and many others) it plainly is!

So what you're doing here is he equivalent of taking the comment "that was a f%^ing terrible kick, Minson" and trying to twist those words into a far more personal,aggressive and inappropriate "you're a f^#king hack, Minson!" There is a very big difference in what you're unfairly trying to infer.

[1eyedog]

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That's a fair analogy, but I think this is where you've lost the plot in applying it to my comment. I'm not calling anyone a f#%king hack. I'm calling the actual jumper terrible - which in my opinion (and many others) it plainly is!

So what you're doing here is he equivalent of taking the comment "that was a f%^ing terrible kick, Minson" and trying to twist those words into a far more personal,aggressive and inappropriate "you're a f^#king hack, Minson!" There is a very big difference in what you're unfairly trying to infer.

You said of the jumper...."It's a f*&^ing shovel.
You implied that your right to critique the jumper is not unlike your right to critique Minson or Boyd on the football field.
I am saying that if you used the same words you used to critique the jumper above on Minson or Boyd (your analogy) then I wouldn't see that as a big difference. And I certainly wouldn't think it unfair to draw it to your attention.

[Webby]

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You said of the jumper...."It's a f*&^ing shovel.

Yes, I said it's a f*&^king shovel. (Which is reference to a joke you may not have gotten - my bad!)

To which you inferred that I was being disrespectful to the artist and the club! Something that I utterly reject.
You then tried to twist my point about it being equally my right to critique an artist's work as it is a player's output. Likening it to me personally abusing players at the football. With a fairly crass and unfair example.

Point being, "that's a f&$king terrible kick, Boyd" or ""that's a f$&king terrible hand pass, Minson" is a world away from saying "you're a f&$king hack, (insert name)". Same applies to Gary Ablett or Rembrandt!

That, to me, is disappointing, overblown and irrational.

[Bornadog]

Re: Bulldogs launch Club's first Indigenous Guernsey

and this guernsey is a f#%king shovel!

To you, however I like it.

Its a once off, its not a permanent logo or design.

[Webby]

Re: Bulldogs launch Club's first Indigenous Guernsey

To you, however I like it.

Its a once off, its not a permanent logo or design.

Yeah, I know, you said as much earlier. I also understand that it's a once-off. I have no problem with that. One man's trash is another man's treasure and tastes vary from person to person. I just despise being told by PR police that I'm being disrespectful to the club or individuals for expressing my disappointment with it. The whole point of a forum is to have a crack and occasionally people on this one can get a bit holier than thou.... And cliquey, whilst I'm at it...

If everyone agrees constantly and goes all "tut-tut" whenever there's a dissenting voice, this forum will be duller than a knitting convention!...

Many seemed to be gushing about it and I just felt compelled to express my polar opposite view.

[1eyedog]

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Yeah, I know, you said as much earlier. I also understand that it's a once-off. I have no problem with that. One man's trash is another man's treasure and tastes vary from person to person. I just despise being told by PR police that I'm being disrespectful to the club or individuals for expressing my disappointment with it. The whole point of a forum is to have a crack and occasionally people on this one can get a bit holier than thou.... And cliquey, whilst I'm at it...

If everyone agrees constantly and goes all "tut-tut" whenever there's a dissenting voice, this forum will be duller than a knitting convention!...

Many seemed to be gushing about it and I just felt compelled to express my polar opposite view.

Relax it's just an internet forum luckily you'll get over it.

And I have no problem with people voicing negative opinions but as per my original post calling it a f&^%ing shovel was over the top = my opinion.

[Webby]

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Relax it's just an internet forum luckily you'll get over it.

And I have no problem with people voicing negative opinions but as per my original post calling it a f&^%ing shovel was over the top = my opinion.

I find it somewhat ironic that the chief of the PR Police is telling me to relax after trying to pin being "disrespectful to the footy club" on me for not liking a jumper for the past three hours. Also telling me to relax and "get over it."

If only you'd heeded that mantra three hours ago, you'd have saved us both a lot of bother!

[GVGjr]

Re: Bulldogs launch Club's first Indigenous Guernsey

Guys, lets get the discussions back on track

[1eyedog]

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I find it somewhat ironic that the chief of the PR Police is telling me to relax after trying to pin being "disrespectful to the footy club" on me for not liking a jumper for the past three hours. Also telling me to relax and "get over it."

If only you'd heeded that mantra three hours ago, you'd have saved us both a lot of bother!

Ha ha the chief of the PR Police! If you knew me or even read my posts you'd know that that label is quite ridiculous. Internet forums are a great medium for debate and differing opinions and I've had nothing better to do over the past three hours. Again, and this just does not seem to sink in, having a negative opinion on the footy jumper is fine - there are many posts that voiced displeasure before yours. I thought you vocabulary needed checking so I gave you my opinion on that as I thought it was disrespectful, my opinion.

Apologies GVGjr I'm back on track.

I can't wait to see the jumper on the boys during the match with Freo.

[Webby]

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Accusation and opinion are two very different things. If I'm accused of something, I'll defend myself.

Whilst I'm checking my vocabulary, perhaps you could return the favour for me? Opinion vs Accusation.

.... And for the record, I called the jumper "ugly as sin". The reference to calling a spade a f&$king shovel was an analogy referring to the need to shoot straight on this matter. In my opinion.. As in "I know 'ugly as sin' is strong, but sometimes a spade needs to be called, not just a spade, but a f$&king shovel".

.... It's an old Twelfth Man Tony Greig line that was probably lost on you. I'm sorry that this apparently poor attempt at humour has made you feel compelled to Ryan Crowley me for four hours!

.. And apologies GVGJnr, I'm back on track now...

[1eyedog]

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Who are you poor defenceless Andrew Swallow?

My comments were directed at the nature of your comment towards the jumper not you as a person. Accusation and opinion are only differentiated by the subjective opinion of the interpreter. Sorry, I should have stated ....I feel like those words you used about our jumper are over the top.

Anyway as I cannot seem to leave this alone I'll have to log out for a few days and do us both a favour.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Bulldogs launch Club's first Indigenous Guernsey

I never get the last word with the missus. How about I have it now gents?