Giansiracusa's last season

[westbulldog]

Re: Giansiracusa's last season

look what he did tonight, he put out about 500% improvement than the player subbed out...................Outside of Hrovat's first 10 minutes, no one even looked like kicking a goal. If the MC say he's best 21, then he must start every game he's selected. He's expected to pull miraculous wins from his rectum each week, and he nearly did tonight. But he didn't because he didn't have the 75 minutes Howard abused, I think one can make an argument we would have won tonight if Gia plays the full game.

well put !

[Scorlibo]

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From what I've seen of Gia this year, it doesn't seem that he's capable of consistently playing full games and contributing, but his performances as the sub have been really great. Because of this, I'm 100% perplexed as to why there is conjecture over his role. It seems to be the one part of our game plan that is genuinely working. He can coach from the sidelines, take the burden of the sub role away from young players, and come on and have a big impact as he did last night.

I won't stand to hear this nonsense about 'predictability' - the proof's in the eating, and Gia continues to play well. The opposition can prepare for him to be the sub, it doesn't seem to matter. They can't prepare for who we sub out, and the flow-on effect that has.

[Remi Moses]

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The issue is moving forward, What do we do?
He's retiring at seasons end so we need Hunter and the like to step up.

[bulldogtragic]

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From what I've seen of Gia this year, it doesn't seem that he's capable of consistently playing full games and contributing, but his performances as the sub have been really great. Because of this, I'm 100% perplexed as to why there is conjecture over his role. It seems to be the one part of our game plan that is genuinely working. He can coach from the sidelines, take the burden of the sub role away from young players, and come on and have a big impact as he did last night.

I won't stand to hear this nonsense about 'predictability' - the proof's in the eating, and Gia continues to play well. The opposition can prepare for him to be the sub, it doesn't seem to matter. They can't prepare for who we sub out, and the flow-on effect that has.

So we are the only club in the AFL with a player on our list who can't play an entire game 'or consistent full games'. How many players should we have on the list next year who can't play consistent full games? On that basis Vezpremi ans Sherman were hard by as they couldn't play consistent full games either....

I'm not doing this round about anymore, we disagree. We love the dogs, so we have more in common than not, but our perspective about improving our list doesn't include (or does include) retaining players who can't play consistent full games.

[lemmon]

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Why are we so sure he can't play a full game? It's not like we have much to go on this year

[Bornadog]

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Why are we so sure he can't play a full game? It's not like we have much to go on this year

I think he will play a full game next week.

[bulldogtragic]

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Why are we so sure he can't play a full game? It's not like we have much to go on this year

Exactly, Howard had nine kicks for nine clangers. Not even I could do worse. Gia could crack it like kids at Auskick and sit and the middle and could have achieved more. If Howard and Gia are best 22, surely Gia is 21 and Howard 22. There seems too many excuses for things, including this.

[Bornadog]

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Exactly, Howard had nine kicks for nine clangers.

Not sure where you got that from. Howard had 2 kicks and 2 handballs

[bulldogtragic]

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Not sure where you got that from. Howard had 2 kicks and 2 handballs

My bad, I thought I read that in a thread last night, happy to withdraw. Also happy to rephrase, Gia can do A LOT better than 4 touches in 75 minutes his sleep.

[Scorlibo]

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So we are the only club in the AFL with a player on our list who can't play an entire game 'or consistent full games'. How many players should we have on the list next year who can't play consistent full games? On that basis Vezpremi ans Sherman were hard by as they couldn't play consistent full games either....

I'm not doing this round about anymore, we disagree. We love the dogs, so we have more in common than not, but our perspective about improving our list doesn't include (or does include) retaining players who can't play consistent full games.

If he can consistently play one-third game time to a high standard, what does it matter if he can't consistently play full games? There is a place for him as the sub.

I know you've said you don't want to discuss it further, but humour me, because I'm genuinely just confused on your stance:

Did you rate his game last night?
Are you wanting to send him back to the magoos or give him full games?
Do you think the sub role should be given each week to the 22nd picked player?

[bulldogtragic]

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If he can consistently play one-third game time to a high standard, what does it matter if he can't consistently play full games? There is a place for him as the sub.

I know you've said you don't want to discuss it further, but humour me, because I'm genuinely just confused on your stance:

Did you rate his game last night?
Are you wanting to send him back to the magoos or give him full games?
Do you think the sub role should be given each week to the 22nd picked player?

1. It was good, being without great. The only knock was a goal I thought he could get late. But that's a tad harsh as 3 or 4 others missed too. But to expect him to virtually win the game off his on boot when he comes on (not saying you thinking this) is dead set unfair, and that's the thought as I see it. That is, try to have a player like Howard keep us close enough and Gia to ice the game. You could reverse engineer that concept to have Gia get us up with or ahead of the game, and if his game is such we need to keep him on, we sub someone else. If Gia needs the spell, then put fresh legs on the ground. Take the idea but with JJ (not Howard), Gia plays last night, kicks a few by 75 minutes in, Gia can stay or sub. We then have fresh legs with serious pace to cut the game up and the game slowed as it did last night. We could have our cake and eat it too, we get the goals and smarts from Gia when the game was needing him and then we look to insert JJ to run through the lines they were clogging. It seems sensible that when the game is up for winning/setup Gia is there, and when we need pace to cut through a slowing game we have it. Whether Gia comes off is a matter for the individual game.
2. Full games AFL or full games VFL. I think it's a 'half pregnant' strategy, that is, it's neither one or the other. IMO it's not working.
3. Not necessarily no. That's kind of the gist, let's not group think everything as we did last year and keep a player with the intent of subbing regularly.

I think it matters a very lot that if we list a player who can't play full games regularly. I think if that's the case I would be horrified with the club. That would set a very, very dangerous precedent. If this wasn't a plan with a club champion this wouldn't be a conversation at all. Do we look at replacing Gia at the end of the year with other 32yo delistees cum free agents for 40 minutes impact time? John Brown, Podsiadly, Quinten Lynch as they could add height at the of the game when we bomb it deep. What about Chappy or Boomer Harvey, could be a like for like swap? If our players on the list don't need to play each week, then this could be an untapped list management strategy. You could be an evil or non evil genius.

[Scorlibo]

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1. It was good, being without great. The only knock was a goal I thought he could get late. But that's a tad harsh as 3 or 4 others missed too. But to expect him to virtually win the game off his on boot when he comes on (not saying you thinking this) is dead set unfair, and that's the thought as I see it. That is, try to have a player like Howard keep us close enough and Gia to ice the game. You could reverse engineer that concept to have Gia get us up with or ahead of the game, and if his game is such we need to keep him on, we sub someone else. If Gia needs the spell, then put fresh legs on the ground. Take the idea but with JJ (not Howard), Gia plays last night, kicks a few by 75 minutes in, Gia can stay or sub. We then have fresh legs with serious pace to cut the game up and the game slowed as it did last night. We could have our cake and eat it too, we get the goals and smarts from Gia when the game was needing him and then we look to insert JJ to run through the lines they were clogging. It seems sensible that when the game is up for winning/setup Gia is there, and when we need pace to cut through a slowing game we have it. Whether Gia comes off is a matter for the individual game.
2. Full games AFL or full games VFL. I think it's a 'half pregnant' strategy, that is, it's neither one or the other. IMO it's not working.
3. Not necessarily no. That's kind of the gist, let's not group think everything as we did last year and keep a player with the intent of subbing regularly.

I think it matters a very lot that if we list a player who can't play full games regularly. I think if that's the case I would be horrified with the club. That would set a very, very dangerous precedent. If this wasn't a plan with a club champion this wouldn't be a conversation at all. Do we look at replacing Gia at the end of the year with other 32yo delistees cum free agents for 40 minutes impact time? John Brown, Podsiadly, Quinten Lynch as they could add height at the of the game when we bomb it deep. What about Chappy or Boomer Harvey, could be a like for like swap? If our players on the list don't need to play each week, then this could be an untapped list management strategy. You could be an evil or non evil genius.

Okay, after processing all of this, I think I've found the fundamental difference in our ways of thinking. You see Gia's good performances as deserving of more game time, and fair enough. I'm also inclined to think that if he's playing well enough, he should be getting some full games here and there. However, on the evidence of his full games this year, like I've said, it doesn't seem that he can extend his impact as the sub to stretch over an entire game. Now this is where the difference lies.

You say, at this point, why should a player who cannot play out a full game play at all?

I say, even if he can't impact full games, he's still the best sub we can put on the park - so he should play that role. The clincher for me is that young players don't have to play fractions of games while developing (Macca on radio this morning also spoke to this point).

I think we can both agree that Gia should play some full games in the near future, and if the results are positive, then it's more beneficial for the team if he keeps on playing full games. If they aren't positive though, I can't see why he wouldn't return to playing the sub role - a role in which he is a proven performer.

[bulldogtragic]

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Okay, after processing all of this, I think I've found the fundamental difference in our ways of thinking. You see Gia's good performances as deserving of more game time, and fair enough. I'm also inclined to think that if he's playing well enough, he should be getting some full games here and there. However, on the evidence of his full games this year, like I've said, it doesn't seem that he can extend his impact as the sub to stretch over an entire game. Now this is where the difference lies.

You say, at this point, why should a player who cannot play out a full game play at all?

I say, even if he can't impact full games, he's still the best sub we can put on the park - so he should play that role. The clincher for me is that young players don't have to play fractions of games while developing (Macca on radio this morning also spoke to this point).

I think we can both agree that Gia should play some full games in the near future, and if the results are positive, then it's more beneficial for the team if he keeps on playing full games. If they aren't positive though, I can't see why he wouldn't return to playing the sub role - a role in which he is a proven performer.

Fair summation. But I'm unsure why we need a specialist substitute, I see that as clogging the list if they're not an option to play through the season in this context. As I say, a Jon Brown, Pods, Chappy (etc) could be recruited some the same effect next year. I think the group think that can exist if one player is anointed a specialist is that we can become too one dimensional with our thinking. What has been needed in the last few losses is line breaking speed and carry, say JJ last night, when the game was going to slow with a lot of young players on both teams. If we needed Gia too, then he could have started, but then Howard should've been dropped and that's a different thread.

[Bornadog]

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My bad, I thought I read that in a thread last night, happy to withdraw. Also happy to rephrase, Gia can do A LOT better than 4 touches in 75 minutes his sleep.

Stache said Minson had 9 kicks 9 clangers which was also not true he had 6 Clangers

[Topdog]

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Stache said Minson had 9 kicks 9 clangers which was also not true he had 6 Clangers

So we had 1 guy with 66% clangers and less than 10 touches and 1 guy with 4 touches. How did we lose that game?