Giansiracusa's last season

[KT31]

Re: Giansiracusa's last season

Stache said Minson had 9 kicks 9 clangers which was also not true he had 6 Clangers

He may have typed it standing on his head.

[westdog54]

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Fair summation. But I'm unsure why we need a specialist substitute, I see that as clogging the list if they're not an option to play through the season in this context. As I say, a Jon Brown, Pods, Chappy (etc) could be recruited some the same effect next year. I think the group think that can exist if one player is anointed a specialist is that we can become too one dimensional with our thinking. What has been needed in the last few losses is line breaking speed and carry, say JJ last night, when the game was going to slow with a lot of young players on both teams. If we needed Gia too, then he could have started, but then Howard should've been dropped and that's a different thread.

The way I see it would be as follows:

We have a comparatively young list that is in need of development.
We know that a premiership is not on the radar this year. We had a fair idea that finals wouldn't be. As such, whilst winning games is the aim each week, it certainly isn't the be all and end all.
We know that we have a player who has leadership and skills that are in vastly short supply. Unfortunately he's also an old fart who will rarely be able to run out a full game.
We also know that he has clear attributes that would make him an outstanding coach, and that our young players will need constant reinforcement during the game from someone who will deliver the message consistently with what the coach wants.

Yes, its predictable. Yes, it gives us a tactial disadvantage. Yes, it will probably cost us a game or two. But for where we are at, it is an imperfect solution for a problem that probably doesn't have a perfect solution. Its an interim measure that we might just ahve to suck it up and cop for a season for the greater good going forward.

[bulldogtragic]

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The way I see it would be as follows:

We have a comparatively young list that is in need of development.
We know that a premiership is not on the radar this year. We had a fair idea that finals wouldn't be. As such, whilst winning games is the aim each week, it certainly isn't the be all and end all.
We know that we have a player who has leadership and skills that are in vastly short supply. Unfortunately he's also an old fart who will rarely be able to run out a full game.
We also know that he has clear attributes that would make him an outstanding coach, and that our young players will need constant reinforcement during the game from someone who will deliver the message consistently with what the coach wants.

Yes, its predictable. Yes, it gives us a tactial disadvantage. Yes, it will probably cost us a game or two. But for where we are at, it is an imperfect solution for a problem that probably doesn't have a perfect solution. Its an interim measure that we might just ahve to suck it up and cop for a season for the greater good going forward.

Leaving aside playing him more, I can see your reasoning, my concern with that is that is we lose one or two senior players, then this reasoning suggests we need someone next year to do this as we are not going forward or getting better with this help, so we need it again next yeR. So then we use Boyd, Bob Or Morris as a permanent sub, which is unrealistic, so then we may need to look at a delisted FA to give us this leadership. Corey Enright, Chappy, Steve Johnson, Chris Newman could do this next year.

[ratsmac]

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I think having Gia as a sub vs playing a full game vs making way for a young player debate is the very least of our problems right now.

Having a game plan that will win games of football and players that can execute the plan is our biggest issue right now. Gia is definitely one of those players that can teach and carry out a game plan. This is his worth in our team. When he is unable to contribute any more, that's when his time is up. We had players that played the whole game against Brisbane that had less influence than Gia.

[Bornadog]

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From Macca:

McCartney said player development would continue to influence team selection this season but games would not be gifted without merit.A preference for allowing young players to experience the full four quarters of football will also see Giansiracusa continue to make the substitute role his own, more often than not.
“We still want to give development opportunities to young players but only if they deserve it, only if they’re productive when they are out on the ground,” he said.
“[I’m] probably not totally in favour of playing young players as the sub – giving them only a quarter or quarter and a half.
“It’s sort of not a real look at the game and they just don’t experience the fatigue that you get when you play three or four games in a row, dealing with fast starts and then having to hang on late in the game.”

[bulldogtragic]

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So some time, versus no time, is better?
So if Gia's needed in setting up wins, he'll be on the bench?

White flag. I'm over debating this strategy, clearly I'm out of step.

[Bornadog]

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So some time, versus no time, is better?
So if Gia's needed in setting up wins, he'll be on the bench?

White flag. I'm over debating this strategy, clearly I'm out of step.

We made the decision to keep him on and I think the way the coach is handling it is the best way. Personally, I would have retired him off last year.

[boydogs]

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So some time, versus no time, is better?
So if Gia's needed in setting up wins, he'll be on the bench?

White flag. I'm over debating this strategy, clearly I'm out of step.

We've got our own VFL side now. We can give kids a full game in the VFL instead of a quarter and a half in the AFL

Gia has the smarts to use the extra speed and energy levels the sub has to advantage. If he plays from the start of the game he has no advantage to apply

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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We made the decision to keep him on and I think the way the coach is handling it is the best way. Personally, I would have retired him off last year.

The decision to keep Gia on as a sub is questionable at best. I can understand it better if he was deemed to be in our best 21 each week. We set a precedent not adopted by any other AFL club of going down this track. This approach doesn't inspire confidence in the team. I hope this type of thinking is a one off and never to be repeated.

[Bornadog]

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The decision to keep Gia on as a sub is questionable at best. I can understand it better if he was deemed to be in our best 21 each week. We set a precedent not adopted by any other AFL club of going down this track. This approach doesn't inspire confidence in the team. I hope this type of thinking is a one off and never to be repeated.

Yes lets not do this with Boyd, or Murphy etc when they are close to retirement.

[Hotdog60]

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I personally would like to see the sub go. Cut the bench to 3 if they don't like the 4 and if someone gets injured it's just bad luck. It was good enough for a 100 years it can be good enough for the next 100.

[bulldogtragic]

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The decision to keep Gia on as a sub is questionable at best. I can understand it better if he was deemed to be in our best 21 each week. We set a precedent not adopted by any other AFL club of going down this track. This approach doesn't inspire confidence in the team. I hope this type of thinking is a one off and never to be repeated.

This is why I've been screaming in my head. Some things when done for the first time are ground breaking and other things show why no other club is doing it and won't do it. We are too smart by half, it goes that if it's a great strategy surely other clubs would've jumped on board by now. This is the latter and we are covering a failing idea with the fact it's a club legend in the role. I can't accept the line of logic that says no time in an AFL game is better than some...

Can the supportive philosophers please tell us what happens next year?

[boydogs]

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Can the supportive philosophers please tell us what happens next year?

Someone else without the energy to play 4 quarters but the smarts to use the sub's speed and energy advantage well can do it. Cooney, Boyd, Murphy as they get older, or Tutt, Stringer, Johannisen with a bit more experience

Other clubs have Matt White, Nathan Foley, Levi Greenwood mature age types that have terrific burst speed but struggle to run out a game. We don't have that type of player on the list, only kids that are too inexperienced to get into the game quickly and have an influence.

I think Macca has a point when he says it's hard to expect a kid to get into the game and have an influence as the sub when they are still learning how to play a full game. Melbourne used Jay Kennedy-Harris on the weekend and he only had 3 touches in over a quarter, St Kilda used Jack Billings who only had 7 touches despite getting game time as a concussion sub as well as over a quarter later in the game. On the other hand, Gia kicked 2 goals and had 10 touches in a quarter and a half, and Luke Ball had 11 touches in just over a quarter for Collingwood

[Scorlibo]

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Someone else without the energy to play 4 quarters but the smarts to use the sub's speed and energy advantage well can do it. Cooney, Boyd, Murphy as they get older, or Tutt, Stringer, Johannisen with a bit more experience

Other clubs have Matt White, Nathan Foley, Levi Greenwood mature age types that have terrific burst speed but struggle to run out a game. We don't have that type of player on the list, only kids that are too inexperienced to get into the game quickly and have an influence.

I think Macca has a point when he says it's hard to expect a kid to get into the game and have an influence as the sub when they are still learning how to play a full game. Melbourne used Jay Kennedy-Harris on the weekend and he only had 3 touches in over a quarter, St Kilda used Jack Billings who only had 7 touches despite getting game time as a concussion sub as well as over a quarter later in the game. On the other hand, Gia kicked 2 goals and had 10 touches in a quarter and a half, and Luke Ball had 11 touches in just over a quarter for Collingwood

We played Bontempelli as the sub and he had an absolute stinker with 2 touches.

[Bornadog]

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I personally would like to see the sub go. Cut the bench to 3 if they don't like the 4 and if someone gets injured it's just bad luck. It was good enough for a 100 years it can be good enough for the next 100.

Has the sub rule and restrictions on the interchange now contributing to far too many stoppages?

Once more a rule backfires on the AFL and ruins our game