If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

[GVGjr]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

The modifications are important. Clay Smith no, Mitch Wallis yes

And which bottom 3 side would accept that offer? You can't just pay unders

[boydogs]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

And which bottom 3 side would accept that offer? You can't just pay unders

A team after a mid might not care about going from 3 to 7 if they get a decent player for it

[bulldogtragic]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

And which bottom 3 side would accept that offer? You can't just pay unders

This is the issue. You've got to be prepared to have the fans and media say you overpaid. Look at GWS and Melbourne, both are benefiting from a win-win, depending on how they played that week. I think our fans have been burned so often in trades that we are pathologically scared now, but trading is a business and to get a good return the market demands a return back. We can't win a premiership with 20 midfielders, 10 half back flankers, 1 ruck and a few spare parts.

Which is the issue I've inelegantly tried encapsulate. Because we haven't had our bad form in one season proper we haven't been afforded a pick 1 or 2 and get hands on a KPP of any quality. With the investment of time needed (3 or 4 years) we are running out of time to draft our own and history says big reputation KPPs don't pick the dogs to be traded to. There are a few good sorts this year, we really need a top 3 pick to make it certain.

[GVGjr]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

A team after a mid might not care about going from 3 to 7 if they get a decent player for it

I would think we would offer a lot better than that to move up the order.

[Remi Moses]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

Just reading this thread and déjà vu
Just remember a young key position player is going to take a while to develop.

[boydogs]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

I would think we would offer a lot better than that to move up the order.

Pick 7 + Pick 25 for Pick 3?

[1eyedog]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

This is the issue. You've got to be prepared to have the fans and media say you overpaid. Look at GWS and Melbourne, both are benefiting from a win-win, depending on how they played that week. I think our fans have been burned so often in trades that we are pathologically scared now, but trading is a business and to get a good return the market demands a return back. We can't win a premiership with 20 midfielders, 10 half back flankers, 1 ruck and a few spare parts.

Which is the issue I've inelegantly tried encapsulate. Because we haven't had our bad form in one season proper we haven't been afforded a pick 1 or 2 and get hands on a KPP of any quality. With the investment of time needed (3 or 4 years) we are running out of time to draft our own and history says big reputation KPPs don't pick the dogs to be traded to. There are a few good sorts this year, we really need a top 3 pick to make it certain.

It will be interesting to see how Hawthorn's list stands up to finals footy this year as I don't see them with a real traditional gun forward. They have a makeshift target in Hale and a third tall in Gunston but Roughie really is pretty much a big on-ball utility now. Can the Hawks win the flag with Gunston and Hale up there? Most of Hawthorn's goals come from their runners.

[jeemak]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

The modifications are important. Clay Smith no, Mitch Wallis yes

Neither for mine. We're going to need Mitch to play a similar role to the one Boyd does and did before he became a less than accountable accumulator (2009-2012).

He's shown he can do shut down quite well, now he's got to learn how to get it while shutting down.

Clay's an offensive midfielder who's tough. You don't give those up, especially when Cooney and Griffen are drawing their careers to a close.

For mine, stripping down a midfield you've been building for a few years to land a KPF is counterintuitive.

[jeemak]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

To elaborate on that, I'll pose a question.

Did any of the sides we lost to in prelims in 2008-2010 have weaker midfields than we did, and did we lose out by not giving up midfield strength in order to land a strong key forward?

[boydogs]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

To elaborate on that, I'll pose a question.

Did any of the sides we lost to in prelims in 2008-2010 have weaker midfields than we did, and did we lose out by not giving up midfield strength in order to land a strong key forward?

Riewoldt beat us in 2009. Barry Hall a year earlier would have been handy

[Remi Moses]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

Hayes in 09 was the difference in that last term.
As well as the arse end of the officiating, and Riewoldt the diving cheat.
I'm not convinced Barry would have been the difference, and as we witnessed the ball was kicked in Barry's vicinity to often

[Remi Moses]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

Neither for mine. We're going to need Mitch to play a similar role to the one Boyd does and did before he became a less than accountable accumulator (2009-2012).

He's shown he can do shut down quite well, now he's got to learn how to get it while shutting down.

Clay's an offensive midfielder who's tough. You don't give those up, especially when Cooney and Griffen are drawing their careers to a close.

For mine, stripping down a midfield you've been building for a few years to land a KPF is counterintuitive.

Also doesn't send a great message to the playing group.
We'll coach and train you up then trade you .

[Sedat]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

Hayes in 09 was the difference in that last term.
As well as the arse end of the officiating, and Riewoldt the diving cheat.
I'm not convinced Barry would have been the difference, and as we witnessed the ball was kicked in Barry's vicinity to often

Baz would have clunked enough of the 57 inside 50's we generated in that game to kick a big enough score to win.

Just on that game, one of the little-discussed reasons we didn't get up was Raph Clarke pulling the only excellent game of his career out of his arse. If only he played like he did the week after in the GF

[chef]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

If we had of traded the Cordy pick we would have had him a season early too, one of life's great 'what ifs'.

[Remi Moses]

Re: If we keep winning, do we have face a problem in 5+ years?

Baz would have clunked enough of the 57 inside 50's we generated in that game to kick a big enough score to win.

Just on that game, one of the little-discussed reasons we didn't get up was Raph Clarke pulling the only excellent game of his career out of his arse. If only he played like he did the week after in the GF

The only issue I have is that they'd look for Barry and Lyon would have put numbers back on him.
The chaos kick, and Barry would come into his own. Raph Clarke playing the only decent game of his career killed us .