Match Committee- Round 11 vs Fremantle

[1eyedog]

Re: Match Committee- Round 11 vs Fremantle

Common sense would suggest they have a predetermined slow comeback for Grant as those foot injuries can easily recur. Just a guess of course.........

He got smashed up a fair bit against Coburg the other week. There's some other reason because I can tell you that the attention he gets in the VFL now is potentially just as intense as what he gets at AFL. If he is not injured he should be in the side and I feel the same about Redpath. I'm getting very tired of the lack of risk taken by the MC when clearly the current structures aren't working (i.e. forward structures).

[Ozza]

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I'm interested in your comment about 'lack of risk taken by the MC' 1eyedog - maybe you can expand more.

If anything, I would have said we have changed our line up a little too much at times this season.

Last week we had Murphy forward, Stringer has been playing back. Williams has played forward and back. Stevens as a mid and as a full time forward in matches. We've tried a taller set up with Campbell a couple of times, a smaller set up with Williams and Jones unavailable last week. We've played 32 players so far this season by my reckoning - 34 if Howard and Hrovat get a run this week. I would have said we are trying things. But as I said, interested in your thoughts.

[wimberga]

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I'm interested in your comment about 'lack of risk taken by the MC' 1eyedog - maybe you can expand more.

If anything, I would have said we have changed our line up a little too much at times this season.

Last week we had Murphy forward, Stringer has been playing back. Williams has played forward and back. Stevens as a mid and as a full time forward in matches. We've tried a taller set up with Campbell a couple of times, a smaller set up with Williams and Jones unavailable last week. We've played 32 players so far this season by my reckoning - 34 if Howard and Hrovat get a run this week. I would have said we are trying things. But as I said, interested in your thoughts.

I can't speak for 1eyedog Ozza, but I know my own personal thoughts on the MC aren't based around their willingness to try things week to week, but more about trying to change things within a game and from quarter to quarter.

[Axe Man]

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when clearly the current structures aren't working (i.e. forward structures).

Is it the forward line that's our major problem? We are 15th for inside 50s so far this season. Only St Kilda, Melbourne and Brisbane average fewer per game than us. I'm not sure if there are any stats on the quality of the entries but my general feeling would be that they aren't great. I think the forward line in most games has done OK considering the lack of supply in terms in quantity and quality.

[1eyedog]

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I'm interested in your comment about 'lack of risk taken by the MC' 1eyedog - maybe you can expand more.

If anything, I would have said we have changed our line up a little too much at times this season.

Last week we had Murphy forward, Stringer has been playing back. Williams has played forward and back. Stevens as a mid and as a full time forward in matches. We've tried a taller set up with Campbell a couple of times, a smaller set up with Williams and Jones unavailable last week. We've played 32 players so far this season by my reckoning - 34 if Howard and Hrovat get a run this week. I would have said we are trying things. But as I said, interested in your thoughts.

Hi Ozza, it was a general statement about Redpath rather than match day rotations and / or established players being tried in different positions. I've been to the last two Footscray games this season and in each of the games I've seen he's kicked bags of 3 and 4. Jack took 10 marks against the Burgers many of them strong marks both on a lead and in the air. He just clunks them. He also set up at least another 5 goals across both the Sandy and Coburg games. What I like about him also is his speed - he's quick for a big bloke and is able to get on a lead. He also gets to contests, crashes packs and hurts people. He has the potential to be a Stew Crameri on steroids.

Can someone please explain to me why the MC haven't picked him this week? Any good reason and I don't agree with the tank not big enough argument. He's performing at VFL level and I do not see anyone else on our list over 192 cm and 100 kg kicking goals and taking contested marks. I think the MC should give him a number of weeks and I'm miffed to be honest why it hasn't happened.

Also, if Grant is not injured I'm not sure why he has been over-looked. Surely we need players in our F50 who can help our forward structure look functional.

As a personal summary I realise I have absolutely no idea what the requirements on Redpath are. All I can say is what I have seen of him over the past two weeks and I'm struggling to see anyone else on our list who could make a positive contribution in a position we have been clearly struggling with since Round 1. I'm sure the members would have gotten a bit of thrill seeing how Redpath went this weekend and there was a fair bit of build up on here about it so I'm disappointed to see him overlooked.

[Bornadog]

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Official

Williams, Howard, Wallis, Johannisen, Hrovat

Out Goodes, Smith.

JJ not playing as he will be in the Social Club as a guest speaker.

[azabob]

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JJ not playing as he will be in the Social Club as a guest speaker.

Bizarre isn't it?

[Mantis]

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JJ not playing as he will be in the Social Club as a guest speaker.

I just got that one too... Nice way to break it.

[Bornadog]

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I just got that one too... Nice way to break it.

Yes they should text the details of the whole team.

[1eyedog]

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Is it the forward line that's our major problem? We are 15th for inside 50s so far this season. Only St Kilda, Melbourne and Brisbane average fewer per game than us. I'm not sure if there are any stats on the quality of the entries but my general feeling would be that they aren't great. I think the forward line in most games has done OK considering the lack of supply in terms in quantity and quality.

Agreed we seem to have issues across the park. I'm not all for lets bring in the kids but I'm glad Hrovat has been selected this week as he is one who gets away from the opposition and will assist with our run and spread. I'm also hopeful that Tutt stays in for the same reasons, potentially JJ too.

My belief is that we can score more readily if we have a verifiable target in F50 and we just don't seem to have that. Most of our goals come from Crameri (not a KPP), from our midfield from long range or opportunistically within our F50. My point is that other than Hrovat and Grant, perhaps Talia (in lieu of Roberts) we do not have anyone else to bring into the side that provides a point of difference to what we already have (Wallis included) with the exception of Redpath. He's no world beater but he deserves an opportunity to contribute. Many have had that opportunity by doing far less.

[Eastdog]

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Is it the forward line that's our major problem? We are 15th for inside 50s so far this season. Only St Kilda, Melbourne and Brisbane average fewer per game than us. I'm not sure if there are any stats on the quality of the entries but my general feeling would be that they aren't great. I think the forward line in most games has done OK considering the lack of supply in terms in quantity and quality.

I would say its a bit of both. Our forward line needs a lot of work but also our delivery into there needs to get better. We need to work on playing 4 quarters. I really thought at half time we had our chance to win but really it was solely that 3 quarter that lost it for us. If it wasn't for that 1 quarter collapse then who knows how the match might have turned out.

[Ozza]

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Hi Ozza, it was a general statement about Redpath rather than match day rotations and / or established players being tried in different positions. I've been to the last two Footscray games this season and in each of the games I've seen he's kicked bags of 3 and 4. Jack took 10 marks against the Burgers many of them strong marks both on a lead and in the air. He just clunks them. He also set up at least another 5 goals across both the Sandy and Coburg games. What I like about him also is his speed - he's quick for a big bloke and is able to get on a lead. He also gets to contests, crashes packs and hurts people. He has the potential to be a Stew Crameri on steroids.

Can someone please explain to me why the MC haven't picked him this week? Any good reason and I don't agree with the tank not big enough argument. He's performing at VFL level and I do not see anyone else on our list over 192 cm and 100 kg kicking goals and taking contested marks. I think the MC should give him a number of weeks and I'm miffed to be honest why it hasn't happened.

Also, if Grant is not injured I'm not sure why he has been over-looked. Surely we need players in our F50 who can help our forward structure look functional.

As a personal summary I realise I have absolutely no idea what the requirements on Redpath are. All I can say is what I have seen of him over the past two weeks and I'm struggling to see anyone else on our list who could make a positive contribution in a position we have been clearly struggling with since Round 1. I'm sure the members would have gotten a bit of thrill seeing how Redpath went this weekend and there was a fair bit of build up on here about it so I'm disappointed to see him overlooked.

Regarding Redpath (appreciate the view on him btw), I asked someone from inside the club (VFL level) about him this week - and the view was that his tank is actually ok. So will be interesting to see if he gets an opportunity in the next few weeks if the performance is good - because he is doing a lot of the right things.

Alternatively, on Grant, I get the impression he is sore and too much a risk to play this week.

Coming back to Redpath - and adding talls generally - it is worth considering the view that Fremantle are generally very very successful at dealing with tall forward lines. The ball coming in long is something Ross Lyon teams are well equipped to deal with. They eat it up. So I guess I'm offering that potentially the view is that there is no urgency to get a previously untried tall target into the side against an opposition that is unsuitable. Just speculating on that.

[1eyedog]

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Regarding Redpath (appreciate the view on him btw), I asked someone from inside the club (VFL level) about him this week - and the view was that his tank is actually ok. So will be interesting to see if he gets an opportunity in the next few weeks if the performance is good - because he is doing a lot of the right things.

Alternatively, on Grant, I get the impression he is sore and too much a risk to play this week.

Coming back to Redpath - and adding talls generally - it is worth considering the view that Fremantle are generally very very successful at dealing with tall forward lines. The ball coming in long is something Ross Lyon teams are well equipped to deal with. They eat it up. So I guess I'm offering that potentially the view is that there is no urgency to get a previously untried tall target into the side against an opposition that is unsuitable. Just speculating on that.

Perhaps you're right but what I've seen of Jack suggests he's pretty good on the lead as well but I suppose we have a raft of mid-sized forwards who can fill that role. Once again this week there is no-one down there who can take a contested mark but I'm all cool with that provided we don't just bomb it in there like we have done over the past 10 weeks. If we are going to take that approach (through design or as an ad hoc requirement) we should be considering a realistic target rather than sitting it on the head of guys who are only 183 cm tall.

If we do that this week as you say it's going to come out pretty quickly.

[Bornadog]

Re: Match Committee- Round 11 vs Fremantle

Final Team:

IN: Hrovat, Williams and Wallis

Out: Goodes, Smith and Stringer

[chef]

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Good changes.