Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

[Mantis]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

The Judd deal from memory was Pick 3, 20 and Kennedy. Getting Cameron would take something similiar I would suggest.

Not so sure.. Judd was pretty much the best player in the comp and Carlton had to cough up a lot (too much) to get him.

Cameron has value, but I would think as well as pick 20 only one of Kennedy (equivalent type) or pick 3 would be required in this deal.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

Carlton paid way overs for Judd. In all reality what has Judd's presence done for them? Has it won them a flag? Has it even moved them closer to a flag? Who is more likely to play in a premiership, Judd or Kennedy-I'd say Kennedy.

In a way it's the curse of a player nominating your club. Sure it's great that a big name player thinks your club is well enough run and is close enough to success to want to come and play for you but it's a double edged sword. It means you now are more or less obliged to make his trade work and gives the player's original club the whip hand. In Judd's case West Coast could sit back and make demands
Knowing that nong-head Caaaaarlton supporters would burn down Optus Oval if the trade wasn't done.

In this case if Cameron wants to come and we can work out a trade that is beneficial and fair (our first pick and maybe a player) to both clubs then great. But if we can't and he goes somewhere else that's great too, we can draft and develop our own.

Judd has won 3 B&F's, 3 All-Australian honours and a Brownlow since joining the Blues. Not sure if keeping Kennedy and pick 3 (Masten) would have them getting any closure to a flag than they have with Judd.

[Bornadog]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

We should go all out with this one. Cameron can seriously play. I would offer him personally big dollars. No idea on players by they can have our first round

[jeemak]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

Carlton paid way overs for Judd. In all reality what has Judd's presence done for them? Has it won them a flag? Has it even moved them closer to a flag? Who is more likely to play in a premiership, Judd or Kennedy-I'd say Kennedy.

In a way it's the curse of a player nominating your club. Sure it's great that a big name player thinks your club is well enough run and is close enough to success to want to come and play for you but it's a double edged sword. It means you now are more or less obliged to make his trade work and gives the player's original club the whip hand. In Judd's case West Coast could sit back and make demands
Knowing that nong-head Caaaaarlton supporters would burn down Optus Oval if the trade wasn't done.

In this case if Cameron wants to come and we can work out a trade that is beneficial and fair (our first pick and maybe a player) to both clubs then great. But if we can't and he goes somewhere else that's great too, we can draft and develop our own.

I tend to agree.

The Judd trade was great for Carlton off field, feeding their shallow and short sighted membership with magic pudding but ultimately it distracted them from concentrating on what would really bring them long term success.

They are a club and membership that believes big single player signings and highly paid coaches are enough to bring success in the modern era, just like they did in the decades past. They will not be a serious contender until they learn this line of thinking is redundant.

[Greystache]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

I would do our first round pick and any player on our list other than Libba, Griff, and Roughead. Libba will be our best player over the next 10 years, Griff is our captain, and Roughead is the only quality key position player we've drafted and developed in 10 years.

Everyone else is an option, including Dahlhaus and McRae. Cameron is 21 and will be a key pillar of any team for the next 10 years. You could try 20 times and not land that type of player (and we have), if he's an option you have to take it.

I would offer less for Patton, and even less again for Boyd at the moment, they haven't converted talent into performance the way Cameron has to justify the expenditure.

[Scorlibo]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

Fair enough.

I think Talia would be of most interest due to their lack of key defenders and Talia has shown promise in that role, albeit he has stagnated breifly this year.

I still think we'd need to package up Talia & Stringer or Talia and Hrovat and our first round draft pick.

I reckon that would be overs......but maybe that's what it will take.

Talia and Hrovat would not even come close to getting the deal done. Talia and Stringer gets closer but still not nearly enough. Talia at this stage has less value than the pick he was drafted with, he's no certainty to make it as a regular senior player. We would need to be looking at Stringer + our first round pick, or something similar.

Carlton paid way overs for Judd. In all reality what has Judd's presence done for them? Has it won them a flag? Has it even moved them closer to a flag? Who is more likely to play in a premiership, Judd or Kennedy-I'd say Kennedy.

In a way it's the curse of a player nominating your club. Sure it's great that a big name player thinks your club is well enough run and is close enough to success to want to come and play for you but it's a double edged sword. It means you now are more or less obliged to make his trade work and gives the player's original club the whip hand. In Judd's case West Coast could sit back and make demands
Knowing that nong-head Caaaaarlton supporters would burn down Optus Oval if the trade wasn't done.

In this case if Cameron wants to come and we can work out a trade that is beneficial and fair (our first pick and maybe a player) to both clubs then great. But if we can't and he goes somewhere else that's great too, we can draft and develop our own.

Carlton were an absolute rabble before Judd arrived. He lifted them off the bottom of the ladder, to finals and brought a competitive, winning attitude. 3, 20 and Kennedy is honestly a bargain in retrospect. The Eagles drafted Masten and Notte with those picks. Masten is just a so-so midfielder and Tony did Notte make it. Kennedy is a good player but asked if you'd take Kennedy + Masten or Chris Judd - the answer is obvious isn't it?

[azabob]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

Talia and Hrovat would not even come close to getting the deal done. Talia and Stringer gets closer but still not nearly enough. Talia at this stage has less value than the pick he was drafted with, he's no certainty to make it as a regular senior player. We would need to be looking at Stringer + our first round pick, or something similar.

I was suggesting a package of

Talia, Hrovat and our first round pick

OR

Talia, Stringer and our first round pick.

[Mantis]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

I would do our first round pick and any player on our list other than Libba, Griff, and Roughead. Libba will be our best player over the next 10 years, Griff is our captain, and Roughead is the only quality key position player we've drafted and developed in 10 years.

Everyone else is an option, including Dahlhaus and McRae. Cameron is 21 and will be a key pillar of any team for the next 10 years. You could try 20 times and not land that type of player (and we have), if he's an option you have to take it.

I would offer less for Patton, and even less again for Boyd at the moment, they haven't converted talent into performance the way Cameron has to justify the expenditure.

Fair call... I agree with your summation, but would place Dahlhaus in the untouchable zone as he has pace and I see him being an extremely good contributor in the midfield in years to come.

[Mofra]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

GWS will look at a small half-forward type, someone who can run in the midfield or kick goals.
They're pretty well set for all other positions with the exception of a genuine extractor.

[Greystache]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

Fair call... I agree with your summation, but would place Dahlhaus in the untouchable zone as he has pace and I see him being an extremely good contributor in the midfield in years to come.

He has pace and he's quite creative, but his skills aren't great and he is small. I think we can find another player to cover him in the next couple of drafts, I doubt we'll get a Cameron in that time. Big trades come at a big price, I think Dahlhaus would potentially have to be that price.

[The Doctor]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

I would do our first round pick and any player on our list other than Libba, Griff, and Roughead. Libba will be our best player over the next 10 years, Griff is our captain, and Roughead is the only quality key position player we've drafted and developed in 10 years.

Everyone else is an option, including Dahlhaus and McRae. Cameron is 21 and will be a key pillar of any team for the next 10 years. You could try 20 times and not land that type of player (and we have), if he's an option you have to take it.

I would offer less for Patton, and even less again for Boyd at the moment, they haven't converted talent into performance the way Cameron has to justify the expenditure.

Agree

I think it is essential for us to not only secure a super player like Cameron but to also strike a serious blow against a club that will soon become a super team. If we are to build our way to being a premiership challenger in a few years then weakening one of our most likely rivals is not only smart but essential.

[Bornadog]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

What dollars would you offer him?

i think it would have to be getting close to a million

[Mofra]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

What dollars would you offer him?

i think it would have to be getting close to a million

The article say $1m per season, and I'd pay it. We have a mid-20s age gap so can certainly accomodate his salary.

Also worth considering how many more members we would attract by finally having a genuine tall forward.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

Pick 4, Smith and Talia would be near a win/win if we think JC is worth it.

[The bulldog tragician]

Re: Jeremy Cameron...what would you give up?

I get where this speculation comes from and recognise and of course share the temptation to snare a potential champion... but am I the only one that feels a bit jittery about how important it is to get this absolutely right - and concerned and fearful that we may not, and meanwhile squander the young talent that we've so patiently nurtured and who may still be champions for us?

I find myself immediately fearing the dreadful sight of Jake Stringer kicking a bag on grand final day for GWS while Dalhaus wins the Norm Smith. And meanwhile how do we know whether Jeremy Cameron, hampered by persistent injury for example, might perhaps join the long line of Great White Hopes that fail to deliver up to their promise. Judging who will be a great player at an early stage is such an inexact science, and many players blossom much later than expected. Brian Lake, who became probably our best ever full-back, was a very average player in his first 70 or 80 games, remember.

Our list problems at present are so widespread that looking for one squillion dollar messiah might not be the answer. We're not like a Hawthorn or Sydney who are tantalisingly close to a flag and can gamble on that one player (Lake/Buddy) to get them over the line. We have deficits across every line and paying one player so much money will leave little room for building strength across the board. (I do realise by the way that boldness and bravery is called for to get these trades done - and offering Koby Stevens and Tory Dickson may, unfortunately, not cut it. But I'm still nervous!!)