Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Second post in the game day prediction thread:



Just turns what should be a fun thread trying to guess what will happen into a depressing one

So are you going to find every post you consider 'negative' and put it here? So every thought I think which isn't overwhelmingly positive is depressing?

Do you you want me to start another thread so you post anything else I post which isn't depressing.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Forgive me not following all threads but isn't the likely best available player in the next draft a midfielder? Patton holds real value for us, probably a better bet than a yet to be tried recruit, so hopefully we look at the possibility with courage. However our last number one draft pick was and is a winner, tragic about the knee, but those number one picks are sexy.
I don't want to finish bottom, I thought we'd finish around ten with a bullet but I'm not worried about the stigma of finishing bottom. Some of us here have done it before in an era when it was hard to rise up the ladder. We will rise with this team and a number one pick may well help us to go all the way.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Since no one wishes to ot justify my negativity simply based on the pack your bags thread, he is the bumping thread followed by a mods post:

Bulldogtragic

Thought I'd bump this to see where the MaccaLove is.

I'm not endorsing the title, but this thread lingered as a barometer of MaccaLove.

I mentioned in another thread, I'm personally feeling like 30 games into the Rhode Dynasty. Outside of 6 weeks last year, this dynasty hasn't moved as much forward as I would've hoped by now. Not even close.


Westdog54

BT, you of ask people should know that the bump is dead in the modern game.

As the original 'bumper' I totally understand where you are coming from. We are a working forward structure away from bring a very competitive side but we could, bay, should be doing better. Predictable is a good description for us tactically.



As a note there are 200 posts of thoughtful discussion and sharing of thoughts on this thread... Am I somehow responsible for the sharing of these thoughts and opinions, or am I only responsible for bad things?

I have two very passionate and very positive threads about being bulldog (philosophical thread) and proudly passionate about those who have donated for the future of our club. Anyone got any comment about that or the fun threads around these one?

[KT31]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

The season is not done by a long way, hopefully we will regroup and show a bit of fight and pick up the odd surprising win.
As long as its not the tripe we have dished up in the last couple of games and we don't get blown out of the water.
But the likelihood of us finishing in the bottom couple has me salivating at the big key forward prospect we will pick up in the draft next year.
IMO there is more pressure and need to get the selections right in the coming draft than any other year of our existence.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Forgive me not following all threads but isn't the likely best available player in the next draft a midfielder? Patton holds real value for us, probably a better bet than a yet to be tried recruit, so hopefully we look at the possibility with courage. However our last number one draft pick was and is a winner, tragic about the knee, but those number one picks are sexy.
I don't want to finish bottom, I thought we'd finish around ten with a bullet but I'm not worried about the stigma of finishing bottom. Some of us here have done it before in an era when it was hard to rise up the ladder. We will rise with this team and a number one pick may well help us to go all the way.

Thanks for not playing the man, droop, it's a good question around the final draft order connect possibly with whether we can win ourselves up, of if we get Pick 1. If we get pick one and we put it on the market I think the members will be nervous, it's a brave move. Any of the top draftees could be pretty good or very good, say Wright as a KPP and second ruck. But if we think it's been a case of underperformance this year and we think finals are within 2 years, a ready made KPP like Patton will be ready to impact those finals. GWS would be open to a trade with pick 1, but if it's say pick 5 they would try to demand another top kid. It would a massive call to put pick 1 on the table, I'm not sure how it would be received by members as it's a radical plan. But I guess by thinking and talking about these things over the remainder of the season we will in a position to have thought about all the implications.

[GVGjr]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

I wouldn't favour trading away and early pick for a mix of established players or picks unless someone is prepared to pay overs and I mean well over the market value. I doubt whether the most likely suitors GWS or GC would be interested anyway.
Free agency or the trade table is the best time for us to address gaps in the list but after seeing so many people challenge the likes Stevens trade or even the logic behind adding Goodes with the last pick in the rookie draft as wasted selections I guess the more acceptable position is to go to the draft table.

Do we need to shake it up and clear a few established players off our list and start again? I'm not sure but maybe that is worth exploring.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

The season is not done by a long way, hopefully we will regroup and show a bit of fight and pick up the odd surprising win.
As long as its not the tripe we have dished up in the last couple of games and we don't get blown out of the water.
But the likelihood of us finishing in the bottom couple has me salivating at the big key forward prospect we will pick up in the draft next year.
IMO there is more pressure and need to get the selections right in the coming draft than any other year of our existence.

Exactly, the implication of getting a pick 1 when the consensus seems to be there is no clear stand out is a lot of pressure on Dalrympe. Of it's even more Pressure on JMac. Trading pick 1 in the draft would be one of those career defining decisions, if it works he's a genius, if not it's a lot of pressure too.

Ideally we are not finishing bottom, but if we do constructive discussion about the attached decisions or implications to the club will at least give us a certain perspective prior to such an eventuality.

[BornInDroopSt'54]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Thanks for not playing the man, droop, it's a good question around the final draft order connect possibly with whether we can win ourselves up, of if we get Pick 1. If we get pick one and we put it on the market I think the members will be nervous, it's a brave move. Any of the top draftees could be pretty good or very good, say Wright as a KPP and second ruck. But if we think it's been a case of underperformance this year and we think finals are within 2 years, a ready made KPP like Patton will be ready to impact those finals. GWS would be open to a trade with pick 1, but if it's say pick 5 they would try to demand another top kid. It would a massive call to put pick 1 on the table, I'm not sure how it would be received by members as it's a radical plan. But I guess by thinking and talking about these things over the remainder of the season we will in a position to have thought about all the implications.

I respect Melbourne for what they did with last years draft, Dom Tyson (or is it Tom Dyson?), Bernie Vince and Salem regardless of how it all pans out for them. It showed courage and imagination that I want in my leaders and footy club.
Patton does offer more in the medium term than say a Wright but also probably in the long term. Buddy to Sydney for the price of the mortgage on the harbour bridge seemed patently ridiculous but I think Sydney will win the flag, so a brave and imaginative decision may be what's needed.

[Bornadog]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

I wouldn't favour trading away and early pick for a mix of established players or picks unless someone is prepared to pay overs and I mean well over the market value. I doubt whether the most likely suitors GWS or GC would be interested anyway.
Free agency or the trade table is the best time for us to address gaps in the list but after seeing so many people challenge the likes Stevens trade or even the logic behind adding Goodes with the last pick in the rookie draft as wasted selections I guess the more acceptable position is to go to the draft table.

Do we need to shake it up and clear a few established players off our list and start again? I'm not sure but maybe that is worth exploring.

Macca said in a recent function that I went the same thing. We will be looking at who is available during the free agency period to address any gaps, and if we can, will also be looking at a KPF. Someone yelled out Tomlinson and Macca said love to get him to the club.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

We are not the spoon side, we are pretty much in the right spot on the ladder. I expect to drop another place and go under Brisbane but no more. We are a better side than the other 3 especially with Jones and Grant in the side, so getting pick 4 is what I think we will be getting which with the other 3 lists we should get the second best KPF. Happy Days.

[boydogs]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

So are you going to find every post you consider 'negative' and put it here? So every thought I think which isn't overwhelmingly positive is depressing?

Do you you want me to start another thread so you post anything else I post which isn't depressing.

Maybe that was a little unfair, so let me put it this way. Your issue with the club promoting Austin is that it is the safe, boring, depressing option where we bring in a known quantity to play a role instead of giving someone else a go that might show some improvement and offer us hope for the future.

Your issue with only making one change this week is along the same lines, if we lose to the bottom team with that side and only make one change to face a top 4 side, then it gives us very little hope for coming away with the win.

The club is more than likely making the right decisions but you are looking for something to give you some hope and optimism for the future. A lot of supporters feel the same, which explains the excitement with our kids getting it done in the VFL yesterday.

But then after all of that, you start a thread announcing we need to start thinking about winning the wooden spoon. Supporters who have been crying out for something to get excited about who came on here to discuss the VFL win were faced with more negativity about how we will be lucky to win another game and only have the next draft to look forward to.

We know we're struggling, we know our draw only gets harder, but we're looking for something to keep us engaged. It's no fun coming on here hearing about burnout and wooden spoon prospects

[Bulldog4life]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

I am a believer that it up to the individual poster to determine whether he wants to introduce a negative or positive thread. Freedom of speech etc etc. Nevertheless my personal preference for threads on for example where we are going to finish, what draft pick we get,who we are going to go after and who will be trade bait or drop of our list is best discussed at the latter stages of the season. Just my preference. Who knows we might get surprise a few wins in the second half of the season which will put a different slant on a lot of poster's thoughts.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Tyler Keitel.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

Clearly there are philosophical differences. Making critical comment or discussing scenarios which are not fun or wanted is in my thinking not negativity. If you read this threads third paragraph you will note that I was starting a thread to specifically talk around issues to with spoons, finishing 18th or near by and then flow on effects which need discussing. The intention of that comment was to draw critical comment away from other threads, allowing more positive comments to made across the board. The other intent was to create a thread as a running critical analysis from week to week because things can change very quickly around so many issues or variables. If people don't want to participate in a running and proactive thinking of this area than everyone can exercise their ability to ignore this thread. Just like people could have not posted 200 times to the bags thread. There are plenty of seriously fun, positive and passionate threads I've started recently. I'm not too sure if those critical of me have shared their positivity on those threads. But the narrative so far on this thread is to 'play the man', make unfair comment, make sweeping generalisations, cite threads but not actually produce what I said, ignore the fact many members and moderators have agreed with me on numerous points, ignore the fact that I explain my thoughts constructively (ie the sub strategy) rather than sweeping generalisations, all while at the same time some ignore my fun, positive and passionate threads.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Now: Equal Bottom of The Ladder on Points (Spoon coming?)

I don't want to play the man BT and I do generally really enjoy your perspective. I did see this thread on top of the forums and my instinctive reaction without seeing who had started it was "here goes BT". I don't know you and god knows I'm guilty of a damn good vent on this forum over the last few weeks. I think given your passion for posting it may just be you represent the barometer of where the wind changes. Lots of us feeling it is tough. Hopefully the kids yesterday give many of us some hope. Again; I have no idea of all your posts and I'm sure there is balance in there and lord knows you are a passionate member. Think we might all be in a bit of a "where the heck is the next win if it wasn't ruddy Brisbane" frame of mind. The title just pretty much said "hey everyone. Just pointing out that we don't just suck, WE REALLY SUCK - DON'T MISS THE PERCENTAGES!!"
We know. We suck. Hopefully we get better