Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

[Bornadog]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

Why the hell not?

Jones out for Redpath, but I really want Roughie back if he's fit, will need him sorely.

Yes we need someone to play on Hawkins, and Roughie is the man.

[Bornadog]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

I thought Minson was actually quite good today, competing against Jamar and Gawn who are both big-bodied ruckmen who were wrestling and exhausting him all day. Still think he and Campbell can be an effective tag-team, so I would like to see Campbell come in for Jones.

Bottom few players today were probably Jones, Hrovat (was good when he came on), Honeychurch, Crameri. If Griff, Grant, Roughy all come up this week there will be a few unlucky players. Would be happy to see Cooney come back through Footscray when he's ready.

Minson double tagged every week, no wonder he is struggling. He needs help, but the MC just doesn't see it.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

Minson has been disapoiniting this season but I find the calls to drop him very harsh.

Before even considering dropping him, I would have Campbell come in to offer support. If we are going to do this I believe the ruck duties need to be shared more, not just 10-15% of the game when Will needs a rest.

I would go with a similar balance to Jamar/Gawn today. Give Will a bit more time up forward, swapping Campbell and Will around up forward. I think playing the vast majority of time up forward is not good for Campbell's development and sharing the duties with Will will do the opposite.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

Will was absolutely buggered after the game, having a relief back up take a 5min spell is not enough.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

Will was absolutely buggered after the game, having a relief back up take a 5min spell is not enough.

Which is why I think a rest wouldn't hurt. I'm not going to say drop him because of form, just rest. We also need to give Campbell some time as the #1 ruck. Even though Will needs help I still don't like the idea of playing he and Campbell in the same side.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

Which is why I think a rest wouldn't hurt. I'm not going to say drop him because of form, just rest. We also need to give Campbell some time as the #1 ruck. Even though Will needs help I still don't like the idea of playing he and Campbell in the same side.

Apparently Tom has been performing well in the VFL, if he can provide a target up forward would you still want only one of Will or Tom?
I would keep Jones as the additional tall will help both players.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

Apparently Tom has been performing well in the VFL, if he can provide a target up forward would you still want only one of Will or Tom?
I would keep Jones as the additional tall will help both players.

I'm only going on past games. We always seem to break down when they're both playing, Tom hits the deck and the ball is cleared way to easy. I'm not against playing him with Will I just have a feeling of what the outcome will be if we do.

[Hotdog60]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

I'm only going on past games. We always seem to break down when they're both playing, Tom hits the deck and the ball is cleared way to easy. I'm not against playing him with Will I just have a feeling of what the outcome will be if we do.

Fair enough, I would like to try both for a couple of games. Maybe a good foil would be Honeychurch at his feet. He's footy smart and aggressive.

[jeemak]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

What makes anyone think Campbell can ruck 85% of an AFL game by himself?

[LostDoggy]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

What makes anyone think Campbell can ruck 85% of an AFL game by himself?

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[Rocco Jones]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

If we play Will and Tom together it cannot be with Campbell just going into the ruck when Will has to rest. That is terrible for Tom as it really isn't his style. I like the idea of helping to develop Campbell rucking alongside Will and rotating them up forward. The Dees pinched a couple of goals from Jamar and Gawn despite neither being quality forward.

[jeemak]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

If we play Will and Tom together it cannot be with Campbell just going into the ruck when Will has to rest. That is terrible for Tom as it really isn't his style. I like the idea of helping to develop Campbell rucking alongside Will and rotating them up forward. The Dees pinched a couple of goals from Jamar and Gawn despite neither being quality forward.

I actually think Will can be more dangerous as a forward if Stinger, Crameri, Jones and Grant are all playing well, so having to spend more than three minutes a quarter up forward isn't so much an issue (meaning Campbell/Cordy can gain more ruck time when in the seniors).

[Bornadog]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

Whilst Will has been nowhere near his output of last year, I for one would still have him in our 22.

It was evident from early on yesterday that Jamar and Gawn were going to try and work him over by pushing forward as much as possible making Will run the length of the ground over and over again.

The repeated stoppages also takes its toll. Constant wrestling in ruck contests takes a lot out of him. One thing I noticed on a couple of occasions yesterday was when the umps came in to restart play they would throw the ball up just as Will had stood upright from the contest, often leaving him out of position with his opponent between him and the ball.

Some good observations Craig, people forget the amount of work poor Will has to do. In the past Crossy would be third man up in these situations. We don't seem to deploy that tactic anymore.

Talking to Will about a month ago, he says he has noticed since his AA year, oppostion rucks have been putting more work into him. He needs help.

[Rocco Jones]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

Some good observations Craig, people forget the amount of work poor Will has to do. In the past Crossy would be third man up in these situations. We don't seem to deploy that tactic anymore.

Talking to Will about a month ago, he says he has noticed since his AA year, oppostion rucks have been putting more work into him. He needs help.

I don't like to be critical of other posters opinion but the drop Will/just play as many kids as possible really is BigFooty-esque.

I really don't get the theory that playing as many kids as possible is best for development. When you play as many kids as possible it actually exposes them. You need senior players to help out. A good example the affect of Griff being out on Libba.

[chef]

Re: Match Committee - Round 16 vs Geelong

I don't like to be critical of other posters opinion but the drop Will/just play as many kids as possible really is BigFooty-esque.

I really don't get the theory that playing as many kids as possible is best for development. When you play as many kids as possible it actually exposes them. You need senior players to help out. A good example the affect of Griff being out on Libba.

It's past BigFooty-esque....it's ####### ridiculous.