Lingy, Succession Plans & Jobs for the Boys

[jeemak]

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Ling spent a lot of time in his junior career as a forward, full forward in fact. He adjusted his game when he came into the AFL system to become the midfielder he became. I think any aspiring coach would need to have a grasp of most positions whether he played in them or not. I could see Ling as naturally a forward or midfield coach.

Which is why Shannon Grant probably presented as a rounded footballer and appealing as a coach. He kicked to the forwards from the middle, and spent a lot of time forward being kicked to by the middle.

Cameron Ling was a very limited footballer, who's ability or lack thereof was offset by his understanding of different facets of the game. It's what made him a good tagger, he knew when and how his opponent was going to get the ball, but most importantly, knew how to stop his opponent from using it.

Who's to say he's better than anyone else out there though? My issue isn't with Ling, it's with the narrow approach to selecting him for a high price when there's likely to enough coaches out there to give us what we need.

[jeemak]

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We will be doing that. Gia will be a full time assistant next year.

Yes, but I'd like more. Gia has been in our system for a long time and is genuinely part of the Bmac philosophy now, which means for mine we need to add to him as our incoming coaching talent.

[Remi Moses]

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So ling's a football genius and Grant and King are hopeless.
Must be read in the tea leaves, or something along those lines.
How on earth would you know?
These questions could only be answered internally, instead of some bloke on a website guessing.

[Bornadog]

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Due to lack of funds, guys like Mooney and Scarlett are part time coaches. The club would love to have either them, or their positions as full timers. For awhile now I have had concerns about Montgomery, but of course I wouldn't know being an outsider.

As for Ling, unlike Voss, he has been tested as an assistant coach and could be a candidate. Maybe I am wrong, but I think Voss went straight into the full time coaching role without being an assistant?

So doc, I think we should have the balls and approach Ling, but he may prefer to be the understudy to Roos and takeover full time from 2016 or 2017.

[Hotdog60]

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Due to lack of funds, guys like Mooney and Scarlett are part time coaches. The club would love to have either them, or their positions as full timers. For awhile now I have had concerns about Montgomery, but of course I wouldn't know being an outsider.

As for Ling, unlike Voss, he has been tested as an assistant coach and could be a candidate. Maybe I am wrong, but I think Voss went straight into the full time coaching role without being an assistant?

So doc, I think we should have the balls and approach Ling, but he may prefer to be the understudy to Roos and takeover full time from 2016 or 2017.

I think I agree with the last part. He will go to a club that will offer a career path to a senior coach and Roos is not interested long term. As for the boys club part which there maybe some truth in. As a employer if you know the capabilities of a prospective employee wouldn't you naturally go with the known quantity.
All the players from Geelong come from a club that they were part of a substantial rebuild into the powerhouse it is today they are familiar with the processes that it took to achieve that status. If they build us into a dynasty that can be sustain for decades then we will have the finances to compete with the Collingwoods of this world a enhance our football department.

But in saying this the they need to keep the trend moving upwards or a refresh of the coaches maybe needed. I just think it's a year or two early to start looking at replacing the current crop. They are working from a very low base a time is needed to see the outcome.

[The Doctor]

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So ling's a football genius and Grant and King are hopeless.
Must be read in the tea leaves, or something along those lines.
How on earth would you know?
These questions could only be answered internally, instead of some bloke on a website guessing.

fine, so let's not talk about anything then.

Why bother posting if you have nothing meaningful to contribute.

[Go_Dogs]

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I was pretty hopeful we would land Ling a while back (12-24 months ago) due to the Macca connection.

In the current circumstances I'm not sure whether he'd be right for us, given the competition for his services and likely price.

Gia coming on board seems a good move as we know he's familiar with our structures and a very smart forward in his own right.

I really rate Hansen and I wouldn't mind us expanding his role.

[always right]

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Perhaps if the thread simply asked the question if Ling would be a valuable addition to the coaching panel, the discussion may have been a little more constructive. By making the following statements, it shouldn't be a surprise when the thread tends to go off the rails somewhat. Just saying.

I've felt for a long time that our footy dept is a 'jobs for the boys' club.

Would Garlick have the audacity to come out from hiding under his desk to pull such a move?

I would like to see some new assistant coaches on the panel as I don't rate the current cop that highly with the exception of Monty.

For what it's worth, I don't know what all the fuss is about Ling. I hear he is doing some good leadership work at North Melbourne but I do wonder which Ling you would get as an assistant coach....."Strong Leadership Lingy" or "I'm everyone's mate Lingy". Most of us have only seen the latter version through his over-rated television work.

[soupman]

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I'm open to new additions to the coaching team. A new coaches input could be valuable, although I think we may be better served tactically to get a coach that has been involved in a different clubs setup to counter what could potentially be Geelong groupthink (not saying this is what happens, although with half the coaching panel being Cats it is a possibility).

So on the surface of things, with no knowledge of coaches aside from the limited media we receive about them, I think we would be better served bringing somebody in from a non-Geelong background (Hawthorn, Sydney, Freo etc.), particularly if it is for a more overarching position.

The problem with this discussion is that unlike players it is so difficult to assess how good a coach is or could be. When our forwardline is dysfunctional I have no idea whether it's BMacs, Grants or Montgomery's fault, or that the players aren't or are incapable of playing to instructions.

I have a rough idea of what I'd like in a new coach, but have no idea how to tell if any of the candidates is better suited than others or not.

The only things I can say with relative certainty is that I wouldn't appoint someone with limited-no experience coaching to a head coach position. Voss, Hird and Buckley have taught me that (I was always very bemused by the rush to sign them as head coaches, now that was boys club style appointing), and John Aloisi has especially taught me that.

[chef]

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Thompson would be a cracking right hand man for Macca when James Tird returns.

[Mofra]

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I've felt for a long time that our footy dept is a 'jobs for the boys' club. Yet, I now wonder if the best 'boy for the job' is available and within our grasp.

Just wondering what leads you to that conclusion.
Personally, I feel that if our football department really was a "jobs for the boys" club then Leon Cameron would be our coach right now, not B-Mac.

[whythelongface]

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First of all good thread Doc and makes for interesting discussion. Like any organisation we need to refresh and renew whether it be coaching, management, administration etc. Even having a succesful person (or who once was successful) in a role can lead to a stale environment where new ideas are not implemented or even encouraged. I look at Carlton for instance and the Malthouse situation - who knows if he is bereft of ideas or it is the playing group who aren't implementing his plans but it isn't working (at the moment). Anyway back on track someone like Lingy would be a welcome addition to the club as an assistant as he would bring experience and knowledge to the coaching team. As I don't know anything about the coaching team (apart from names) I have no idea whom he would replace or if he could used as an additional resource. Maybe he could also be used as a part-timer similar to Moons and Scarlo.

Couple of points:

1/ Not sure what the reference point to Voss is that others have alluded to apart from being the 'media darling'. It is not like he is taking over as HC and going to change the fabric of the club;

2/ Don't like the term "jobs for the boys". No doubt McCartney has assembled his coaching team but this is based on his understanding and knowledge of what drives a successful. Therefore he wants to surround himself with successful people. I congratulate him for being able to employ persons from arguably the most successful team over the last 20 years. A jobs for the boys is more employing someone in a role where there are clearly more suitable candidates available and that person only gets the job because of there association with the recruiter.

[Remi Moses]

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fine, so let's not talk about anything then.

Why bother posting if you have nothing meaningful to contribute.

Point I'm making is how on earth would you or I know how one of the assistant coaches is going?
They'll make changes, most clubs do.
Do yourself a favour and stop the hissy fits if someone has an opinion .

[Remi Moses]

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First of all good thread Doc and makes for interesting discussion. Like any organisation we need to refresh and renew whether it be coaching, management, administration etc. Even having a succesful person (or who once was successful) in a role can lead to a stale environment where new ideas are not implemented or even encouraged. I look at Carlton for instance and the Malthouse situation - who knows if he is bereft of ideas or it is the playing group who aren't implementing his plans but it isn't working (at the moment). Anyway back on track someone like Lingy would be a welcome addition to the club as an assistant as he would bring experience and knowledge to the coaching team. As I don't know anything about the coaching team (apart from names) I have no idea whom he would replace or if he could used as an additional resource. Maybe he could also be used as a part-timer similar to Moons and Scarlo.

Couple of points:

1/ Not sure what the reference point to Voss is that others have alluded to apart from being the 'media darling'. It is not like he is taking over as HC and going to change the fabric of the club;

2/ Don't like the term "jobs for the boys". No doubt McCartney has assembled his coaching team but this is based on his understanding and knowledge of what drives a successful. Therefore he wants to surround himself with successful people. I congratulate him for being able to employ persons from arguably the most successful team over the last 20 years. A jobs for the boys is more employing someone in a role where there are clearly more suitable candidates available and that person only gets the job because of there association with the recruiter.

Exactly right^^^ the head coach gets the scrutiny, but how do you assess an assistant?

[Remi Moses]

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Perhaps if the thread simply asked the question if Ling would be a valuable addition to the coaching panel, the discussion may have been a little more constructive. By making the following statements, it shouldn't be a surprise when the thread tends to go off the rails somewhat. Just saying.







For what it's worth, I don't know what all the fuss is about Ling. I hear he is doing some good leadership work at North Melbourne but I do wonder which Ling you would get as an assistant coach....."Strong Leadership Lingy" or "I'm everyone's mate Lingy". Most of us have only seen the latter version through his over-rated television work.

Since I've been away he's become vince Lombardi��