Lingy, Succession Plans & Jobs for the Boys

[Twodogs]

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Are you thinking we should expand the coaching panel Doc or let someone go?

[Greystache]

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Respond to the questions being asked rather than making assumptions you flog.

Can a real moderator delete Greystache's comments and my responses in turn and keep the topic on track

High brow stuff there, classy

I'm happy to let other clubs slit their own throats making over the odds offers to secure the current media darling. Voss set back Brisbane 10 years, Buckley has taken Collingwood backwards in each of his 3 seasons in charge (with the able assistance of a former WOOF favourite), so following that theme I'd like to see Ling end up at Essendon.

[The Doctor]

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Are you thinking we should expand the coaching panel Doc or let someone go?

Dare I say it shouldn't we "refresh"?

We should always look to improve all aspects of our footy dept, so I threw up Ling as a candidate to bring in for reasons detailed earlier.

[The Doctor]

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High brow stuff there, classy

I'm happy to let other clubs slit their own throats making over the odds offers to secure the current media darling. Voss set back Brisbane 10 years, Buckley has taken Collingwood backwards in each of his 3 seasons in charge (with the able assistance of a former WOOF favourite), so following that theme I'd like to see Ling end up at Essendon.

OK, so you are anti Ling. Good we have your opinion so piss off

[jeemak]

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Happily

I am doubtful about the contributions of King and Grant in particular. I am happy for someone to prove me wrong but lets face it these are guys Macca has been associated with prior to their engagements with the Bulldogs. But what have they achieved for us thus far?

I am actually saying that Macca's connection with Ling gives us a shot at possibly a very good coaching candidate, so why not have a crack?

Shannon Grant was one of the smartest footballers I've watched, I don't profess to know about his interaction with the players, though what I do know is he's often credited by players in the media as being a good influence on them.

King was a better than decent ruck, though probably one of the last dinosaurs when he was traded away from Geelong - after he'd captained a building club and won a premiership. Once again, I'm not close enough to know whether his influence on our developing rucks is the reason why they seem to be putting decent footy together at VFL level, perhaps you know more.

Doc, if you can come up with something more substantial than statements of doubt about these two then I'd happily listen to your thoughts without thinking you've not actually got an issue with them individually, rather than an issue with Macca and his coaching panel selections because he made them.

I'd like to see some fresh blood injected to the club, it's the best way for us to keep staying fresh and moving forward.

[The Doctor]

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Shannon Grant was one of the smartest footballers I've watched, I don't profess to know about his interaction with the players, though what I do know is he's often credited by players in the media as being a good influence on them.

King was a better than decent ruck, though probably one of the last dinosaurs when he was traded away from Geelong - after he'd captained a building club and won a premiership. Once again, I'm not close enough to know whether his influence on our developing rucks is the reason why they seem to be putting decent footy together at VFL level, perhaps you know more.

Doc, if you can come up with something more substantial than statements of doubt about these two then I'd happily listen to your thoughts without thinking you've not actually got an issue with them individually, rather than an issue with Macca and his coaching panel selections because he made them.

I'd like to see some fresh blood injected to the club, it's the best way for us to keep staying fresh and moving forward.

Fair questions Jeemak and i'm not sure how I can convince you other than to concur with the last line of your response about bringing fresh blood into the club.

[Greystache]

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OK, so you are anti Ling. Good we have your opinion so piss off

Normally when someone grants your request (in this case to respond to your question) the polite reply is to say thank you.

On topic I have been concerned with Grant's behaviour at various points since he took up coaching, but haven't heard anything coming out of the club to question if he is effective in his role. I do however regularly hear Mooney and Hansen being credited for the development of some of our young forwards. This leads me to two possible conclusions, 1) Grant isn't producing the level of improvement with the forwards as his peers, or 2) he is primarily involved in our overall game plan and player development rather than working specifically with the forwards group.

So based on those conclusions I feel we either should be looking to replace Grant or appoint another full time coach to work exclusively on forward craft.

[jeemak]

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Fair questions Jeemak and i'm not sure how I can convince you other than to concur with the last line of your response about bringing fresh blood into the club.

It's difficult from the outside looking in. When we have a few good weeks like we have now we seem on track, as all of the parts that development coaching staff have an input towards work well. When we go through a patch like we did until the Brisbane game it makes them look like they're not steering the ship very well.

Looking at the balance over the last three years though, I think only a very harsh judge could say there hasn't been improvement in most areas as a trend, in some cases irrespective of the win loss ratio. Webby posted a good stat recently, whereby he stated our last 25 games have resulted in 11 wins and 14 losses, which prior to the last month seemed a little out of reach as people compared this era to the Rhode era!

But as we both agree. Three years of the same coaching team should be sufficient for us to start looking at changing the mix a little.

[The Doctor]

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On topic I have been concerned with Grant's behaviour at various points since he took up coaching, but haven't heard anything coming out of the club to question if he is effective I his role. I do however regularly hear Mooney and Hansen being credited for the development of some of young forwards. This leads me to two possible conclusions, 1) Grant isn't producing the level of improvement with the forwards as his peers, or 2) he is primarily involved in our overall game plan and player development rather than working specifically with the forwards group.

So based on those conclusions I feel we either should be looking to replace Grant or appoint another full time coach to work exclusively on forward craft.

Thank you that's more like it and I retract my earlier comments.

I don't know if Ling is the answer but thought he would be worth the debate. Perhaps there are other candidates out there better credentialled but for now as it is topical why not have a chat about Ling.

[bulldogtragic]

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Would he help Wally and others?

[Greystache]

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Thank you that's more like it and I retract my earlier comments.

I don't know if Ling is the answer but thought he would be worth the debate. Perhaps there are other candidates out there better credentialled but for now as it is topical why not have a chat about Ling.

My concern about Ling, apart from the inevitable bidding war financially and with respect to the title he will command, is his specialty was work around the stoppages and midfield accountability and defence. My understanding is this is the particular area of the game that BMac and King excel at, both teaching and planning. I see forward craft, in particular leading patterns, marking, and body positioning as areas for substantial development, and that's not Ling's natural bag (acknowledging he was drafted as an undersized full forward), so I'd be inclined to look for an experienced forwards coach.

I would have said run and spread from stoppages was a gap given Bmac and King's skill set, but I'm willing to give Joel Corey the benefit of the doubt that he's capable in this area.

[Bulldog4life]

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It's difficult from the outside looking in. When we have a few good weeks like we have now we seem on track, as all of the parts that development coaching staff have an input towards work well. When we go through a patch like we did until the Brisbane game it makes them look like they're not steering the ship very well.

Looking at the balance over the last three years though, I think only a very harsh judge could say there hasn't been improvement in most areas as a trend, in some cases irrespective of the win loss ratio. Webby posted a good stat recently, whereby he stated our last 25 games have resulted in 11 wins and 14 losses, which prior to the last month seemed a little out of reach as people compared this era to the Rhode era!

But as we both agree. Three years of the same coaching team should be sufficient for us to start looking at changing the mix a little.

We will be doing that. Gia will be a full time assistant next year.

[The Doctor]

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My concern about Ling, apart from the inevitable bidding war financially and with respect to the title he will command, is his specialty was work around the stoppages and midfield accountability and defence. My understanding is this is the particular area of the game that BMac and King excel at, both teaching and planning. I see forward craft, in particular leading patterns, marking, and body positioning as areas for substantial development, and that's not Ling's natural bag (acknowledging he was drafted as an undersized full forward), so I'd be inclined to look for an experienced forwards coach.

I would have said run and spread from stoppages was a gap given Bmac and King's skill set, but I'm willing to give Joel Corey the benefit of the doubt that he's capable in this area.

Ling spent a lot of time in his junior career as a forward, full forward in fact. He adjusted his game when he came into the AFL system to become the midfielder he became. I think any aspiring coach would need to have a grasp of most positions whether he played in them or not. I could see Ling as naturally a forward or midfield coach.

[The Doctor]

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We will be doing that. Gia will be a full time assistant next year.

good

[boydogs]

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It's difficult to know who in the footy department is doing well and who isn't, but I think Brett Montgomery should come under question. The consensus re. Macca has been he is a good development coach but is yet to impress as a match day coach, yet Monty is the head of match day tactics