Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

[1eyedog]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

We need to get what we can for Cooney now and we should have done this with Boyd last year. This is our only chance and it seems the club recognize this. I'll remember Cooney fondly as a club champion but I'll remember the extended run at the finals we had from a bunch of A graders over an extended period of time rather than how we nursed our vets through the last year of their careers more.

[Sedat]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

Sound logic, extremely poor trade. Jones should almost command pick 28 on his own, and we are prepared to throw in Coons and our pick 45 as well?? There's generous and then there's simply ridiculous. We are the Anti-Dodoro.

[Missing Dog]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

It's not about Cooney in 2014 or 2015! It's the next 3 -10 years we are planning for. If we hold on to him for another year he is a FA. Lets do a good deal now. His dodgy knee has cruelled him. Has become a cameo player for mine. Still capable of the individual brilliant act but no game winner. He won't be around in 4 years time when hopefully we are in the window. If we can trade him to a club where he may be more useful and while he has some currency, then its a good decision for the club and Adam. AFL is a business, players are professional eg.The AFLPU pushed for FA. Supporters invest emotionally in players. I get that. But we also want club success ie premierships and there has to be a cost or a more ruthless club will benefit from our weakness.
If we are serious about culture change and premiership success then these are the deals that need to be done. For all of my 60 years, this club I love has been too nice/soft and we have seen the lack of results and loss of great players for little or no return. Time to get smart, get our hands dirty and use the trade period wisely.The club employs staff to get the list that will deliver success. I'm prepared to back hard decisions that deliver a good return. Planning for longer term goal has to take priority over individuals no matter how loved they are. That's the price of team success. I'm willing to pay it (with the obvious proviso that good trades are made).

[Dancin' Douggy]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

I'm not against the idea of trading Cooney, in fact I say do it.
But why is this trade with Carlton the only possibility being discussed?
Plenty of teams in finals mode would love to have an explosive line breaking goal kicking midfielder.
Granted he can't do it all game like he used to, but still.......... he's worth a lot more than this pathetic scenario with Carlton would get us.

AT LEAST DANGLE HIM OUT THERE FOR A BETTER BITE FOR A WHILE. Richmond, Norf, Even the Cats might have a crack.

[1eyedog]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

Sound logic, extremely poor trade. Jones should almost command pick 28 on his own, and we are prepared to throw in Coons and our pick 45 as well?? There's generous and then there's simply ridiculous. We are the Anti-Dodoro.

Your over-inflating their value. We're talking about a bloke who can't get a run in a senior team with no KPF and another bloke on one knee with one year left. I'd like more than pick 28 but it sounds pretty bloody good when you weigh up what Jones and Cooney offer moving forward.

Jones and pick 28 is ludicrous. You're saying that Jones has the same trade value as Crameri?

[ledge]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

If we trade to lower clubs we get better draft picks, Carlton have picks in the range we want they are interested so do it.
Tutt jones and Cooney to Carlton at this stage, I've no idea where they are aiming at, two players in the system a long time who couldn't get games in a lowly side and an old champ with a bung knee that could go anytime.

[1eyedog]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

I posted this in another thread but should probably post it here given the thread title.

We upgraded our Lake compensation for pick 21 and got a 10 year player - I'm not sure we got bugger all for him. I'm wrapped with how it worked out for us and I think the club was too. I'm happy to trade Cooney out - he'll be 30 next year with the knee of 60 year old. Boyd also should have been traded last year while he still had some currency. We need to move up the draft order and / or increase our options at both the trade / draft table at every opportunity. Both Cooney and Boyd provide / provided an opportunity to do that. Pick 28 for Cooney and Jones is ok for me although I'd prefer more but this is our last chance to get something for Cooney. Jones is not in our best 22 and Cooney may have one year left - what's there to lose exactly?

If we are concerned about the fabric / culture of the club and not trading away champions well that philosophy to me is one of the main reasons why we haven't won a premiership. Times have changed and I think Macca is now seeing things differently and making big calls. For mine, I'd rather have an extended run at a premiership with a bunch of quality 10 year players than slowly nurse our vets through the last 1-2 years of their career. If someone can make better use of Cooney in their window (and I have absolutely no idea why Carlton are interested in him to be honest) then we need to do it. In 10 years time what will we remember? That we traded a 29 year old player on one knee or the extended run we had at the finals because we were smart with our trading? We need to get the players we need who are in the same age profile so we give them not only an opportunity to play finals together but have an extended run at them like Geelong and Hawthorn have.

I'm getting old and sick and tired of not playing Grand Final footy - let's do it.

[Sedat]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

Your over-inflating their value. We're talking about a bloke who can't get a run in a senior team with no KPF and another bloke on one knee with one year left. I'd like more than pick 28 but it sounds pretty bloody good when you weigh up what Jones and Cooney offer moving forward.

Jones and pick 28 is ludicrous. You're saying that Jones has the same trade value as Crameri?

Shaun Hampson got pick 28 on his own last year. Pick 28 for Jones is not ridiculous - his true worth on his own would be a pick in the 30's.

I could possibly live with Coons and Jones for pick 28, as Coons really has little or no trade value, but throwing in our pick 45 as a sweetener is just completely over-generous.

[stefoid]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

Sound logic, extremely poor trade. Jones should almost command pick 28 on his own, and we are prepared to throw in Coons and our pick 45 as well?? There's generous and then there's simply ridiculous. We are the Anti-Dodoro.

'Almost' is the word there. Its likely Carlton will turn it down anyway.
Coons is worth whatever other clubs are prepared to pay for him, which apparently is hardly anything.
What is it worth to us to clear his salary and list position, and free up a spot in the midfield for a younger, fitter mid?

I think its highly likely we are building a warchest for next year to 'do a sydney' when a number of key forwards come out of contract. Someone durable, hopefully.

[Cyberdoggie]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

We need to move him on while we can, but that isn't a fair deal in my opinion.

[Greystache]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

Have you considered the distinct possibility that this is something that Adam hasn't come to realise over the last year or so, and forms the very basis for why we're looking to move him on?

Exactly. It's staggering how quickly some people have overlooked this.

[Sedat]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

'Almost' is the word there. Its likely Carlton will turn it down anyway.
Coons is worth whatever other clubs are prepared to pay for him, which apparently is hardly anything.
What is it worth to us to clear his salary and list position, and free up a spot in the midfield for a younger, fitter mid?

I think its highly likely we are building a warchest for next year to 'do a sydney' when a number of key forwards come out of contract. Someone durable, hopefully.

Don't disagree with your logic but there's no need to add a sweetener to this deal with the exchange of our 3rd rounder. We don't seem to value draft picks anywhere near enough.

[stefoid]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

Are there any clubs interested in doing a fair trade? its us that are shopping Coons, not the other way around. Its pretty difficult to play hardball when you are in that position, unfortunately.

With the draft picks, has anyone done the math? Do we use a third rounder in the draft if we have one 1st, 3 seconds + Cordy?

[Ozza]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

Cooney could definitely still be a very useful player - but not in the style of game that we generally play.

When we had an absolute shoot out with St.Kilda, he was quite brilliant, but in games that are played not at breakneck speed/highly uncontested - I think he struggles.

I think Cooney would be more value to another club than ours. It would be sad to see him go - but the midfield is quite deep with Libba, Griffen, Macrae, Boyd, Stevens, Wallis, Smith, Hrovat, Bontempelli - plus a range of forward/mids. Cooney as a forward hasn't ever really worked, and he doesn't kick the ball well enough to play half back effectively.

I don't really want to see a bulldog Brownlow medalist go....but can see some logical list management in the potential decision making.

[Bornadog]

Re: Adam Cooney: Up for trade ?

Have you considered the distinct possibility that this is something that Adam hasn't come to realise over the last year or so, and forms the very basis for why we're looking to move him on?

This is what he said last year when signing a two year contract:

"I wasn't close at all," he said. "I've said all along I wanted to stay at the footy club - it's the place that gave me my start. I've been here for 10 years, I'm rapt to sign on for another two and hopefully be a Bulldog for life."