Tom Lonergan

[LostDoggy]

Re: Tom Lonergan

same applies to Vezspremi. One of the worst trades

Vesper i I think was unlucky that Bmac was at the club, if maybe he was here now under beveridge he would be half a chance. I can tell from only 4 game that Bmac wasn't good at getting the best out of people. There wouldn't be one player who hasn't improved under beveridge the same cannot be said about Bmac

[Happy Days]

Re: Tom Lonergan

same applies to Vezspremi. One of the worst trades

Vezspremi was a pretty bad trade but he (at least at the time) didn't cost too much; we gave up a first round pick (!!!) for Sherman.

Vez also never racially vilified anyone or did any "modelling". Getting him in was nothing on the Sherm.

[comrade]

Re: Tom Lonergan

Vesper i I think was unlucky that Bmac was at the club, if maybe he was here now under beveridge he would be half a chance. I can tell from only 4 game that Bmac wasn't good at getting the best out of people. There wouldn't be one player who hasn't improved under beveridge the same cannot be said about Bmac

Macca seemed to have a strong bias for 'good students'. If the player wasn't a quick learner, or fit into his stereotype of a 'crack in' type, I think he struggled to engage. This follows on from his philosophy of identifying player weakness and trying to change/improve, vs Bevo who seems to encourage the player's strengths more.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Tom Lonergan

Vezspremi was a pretty bad trade but he (at least at the time) didn't cost too much; we gave up a first round pick (!!!) for Sherman.

Vez also never racially vilified anyone or did any "modelling". Getting him in was nothing on the Sherm.

Sorry, but Vez cost plenty. He was a swap for Everitt, who was a first round pick.
Vez was never going to make it.

[soupman]

Re: Tom Lonergan

Sorry, but Vez cost plenty. He was a swap for Everitt, who was a first round pick.
Vez was never going to make it.

Neither was Everitt at that stage of his career.

He was a player that attracted little interest and whose career had stagnated completely. May well have been delisted if we kept him another year or so. Unfortunately for us we traded him at his lowest value throughout his career.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Tom Lonergan

Neither was Everitt at that stage of his career.

He was a player that attracted little interest and whose career had stagnated completely. May well have been delisted if we kept him another year or so. Unfortunately for us we traded him at his lowest value throughout his career.

Everitt had a little more going for him. He does have some height and agility, where Vez was short and fat with no tank.

[azabob]

Re: Tom Lonergan

Sorry, but Vez cost plenty. He was a swap for Everitt, who was a first round pick.
Vez was never going to make it.

Vez was also a first round pick.

[Bulldog Joe]

Re: Tom Lonergan

Vez was also a first round pick.

We can get caught up in this, but perhaps we should leave it.

I did strongly suggest before the trade that Vez would not make it and even emailed Eade on the subject, referring to his insipid effort in the 2008 PF for Sydney against us.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Tom Lonergan

We can get caught up in this, but perhaps we should leave it.

I did strongly suggest before the trade that Vez would not make it and even emailed Eade on the subject, referring to his insipid effort in the 2008 PF for Sydney against us.

Well, it's little wonder then that he's no longer coaching the Doggies. :P

[jeemak]

Re: Tom Lonergan

Given our key back stocks consist of Hamling, Roberts, maybe Roughead, Adams and a young Collins does anyone now think we'd have been well served in dishing out a three year contract at the end of 2014 for Lonergan?

Much to the likely chagrin of of BT (in brackets, smilie face), I believe his potential recruitment on a three year deal would have been a master stroke from Bmac if he was capable of overseeing some of the level of improvement we've seen these past 18 months, and in my view not recruiting him has been an opportunity lost, albeit ultimately due to circumstances out of our control.

Question - after Bmac left did we even bother with the trade or was it shelved upon the players request? If the latter, should we regret it?

[1eyedog]

Re: Tom Lonergan

Great player he would have made a difference. Aside from on field coaching our young backs I've wondered whether Tex would have got off the leash if Lonergan was on him. Ah sliding doors...

[jeemak]

Re: Tom Lonergan

Great player he would have made a difference. Aside from on field coaching our young backs I've wondered whether Tex would have got off the leash if Lonergan was on him. Ah sliding doors...

Truth is, Tex probably would have gotten the ball up the ground he got against anyone - such was our ability to let the ball sling out of our backline that night. Suppose organisation and positioning may have been different with an older head in defence, hard to say. With him we may not have even had to worry about Tex first week of the finals.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Tom Lonergan

I guess the counter argument is that if we got Lonergan, 32 this year, we probably wouldn't have got Hamling, 23 this year, who was a lot cheaper and arguably offers more in terms of overall service over a number of years.

[jeemak]

Re: Tom Lonergan

Hamling was bargain basement in terms of acquisition, but I'd still take Lonergan at 500 large a year given what I know now.

[azabob]

Re: Tom Lonergan

I think once BMac was moved on Lonergan wasn't keen on the idea.