Jones Vs Stanley

[Bornadog]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Who would you prefer Stanley or Hamling.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Who would you prefer Stanley or Hamling.

I don't think I've seen Hamling play at all I may have seen him in the VFL, I've seen highlights, from that and the fact that he was cut to make way for a guy like Stanley doesn't fill me with great confidence.

Stanley I've seen his best and worst and would take him if there was a choice between the two. FWIW I'd take Jones over Hamling as well to keep the conversations going.

[GVGjr]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Geelong paid overs for Stanley, Carlton got unders for Jones. Their value lies somewhere in between what each club gave up. Both are talented and young enough to turn around their careers so I think both clubs will be pleased to have them on their list.

It's very difficult to get the perfect trade value for both parties with the current system but essentially the Cats paid overs because Stanley had a contract and Carlton got Jones for a bargain because he was out of contract. If Jones still had a year to go on a contract and Carlton still really wanted him then I'd be confident that pick 28 would have been ours. With no contract, had we been pedantic Carlton would have got him in the PSD so their 3rd round pick in the end was reasonable.

If that deal had have been completed then the real comparison would have been Crameri vs Jones and we would have been very pleased with both

[Go_Dogs]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

If that deal had have been completed then the real comparison would have been Crameri vs Jones and we would have been very pleased with both

It's a good example, given both players weren't contracted.

In that scenario, there's no way that Jones had the same currency as Crameri did, hence the price for Crameri being a second round, and Jones a third, seems reasonable. The Stanley example demonstrates that you still need to pay overs to acquire a contracted player, because despite his versatility, there's no way he's in front of Crameri in terms of market value.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

It's very difficult to get the perfect trade value for both parties with the current system but essentially the Cats paid overs because Stanley had a contract and Carlton got Jones for a bargain because he was out of contract. If Jones still had a year to go on a contract and Carlton still really wanted him then I'd be confident that pick 28 would have been ours. With no contract, had we been pedantic Carlton would have got him in the PSD so their 3rd round pick in the end was reasonable.

If that deal had have been completed then the real comparison would have been Crameri vs Jones and we would have been very pleased with both

Completely agree. I should have been more clear with my post, true market value they'd both be around late 20's to mid 30's IMO. We were over a barrel with Jones and had to take what ever they offered, Saints did not need to trade at all and got the best offer they could.

[boydogs]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Who would you prefer Stanley or Hamling.

Stanley right now, but Hamling offers hope as he was very slight when drafted and has taken a bit to bulk up. He didn't play at an elite level as a junior in remote WA so he's the definition of a project player. He was drafted earlier than Stanley was so he showed he had the talent

[GVGjr]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Stanley right now, but Hamling offers hope as he was very slight when drafted and has taken a bit to bulk up. He didn't play at an elite level as a junior in remote WA so he's the definition of a project player. He was drafted earlier than Stanley was so he showed he had the talent

Hamling played for WA and was invited to the draft combine which is a fairly traditional pathway. While he was originally from a remote area of WA I don't think he was a speculative selection but one that was probably never likely to play in the seniors in first 2 years.

[boydogs]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Hamling played for WA and was invited to the draft combine which is a fairly traditional pathway. While he was originally from a remote area of WA I don't think he was a speculative selection but one that was probably never likely to play in the seniors in first 2 years.

IIRC the improvement he showed in his final junior year when exposed to an elite level was why he went so early

[F'scary]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Who would you prefer Stanley or Hamling.

The noble Dane, Hamlet. Stanley is more of an on-field Falstaff type.

[1eyedog]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Interesting that Geelong offload Hamling and pick up Stanley if you ask me. Hamling's a more natural footballer and a cleaner mark. Geelong also have a few running 2nd rucks as well.

[LostDoggy]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

I fail to see any comparison to Stanley here.

You could say exactly the same thing for both players,therefore the comparison between Jones and Stanley is that they ae both mediocre players looking for fresh starts at other clubs.(Except for the Ayce line.)

[Bornadog]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Interesting that Geelong offload Hamling and pick up Stanley if you ask me. Hamling's a more natural footballer and a cleaner mark. Geelong also have a few running 2nd rucks as well.

My exact point, which means Geelong didn't rate Hamling.

[GVGjr]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

My exact point, which means Geelong didn't rate Hamling.

For a team topping up to stay a genuine contender it was probably the right move for Geelong. Our situation is a lot different and we are obviously taking a longer view. Hamlings best football is still in front of him.

[westdog54]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

You could say exactly the same thing for both players,therefore the comparison between Jones and Stanley is that they ae both mediocre players looking for fresh starts at other clubs.(Except for the Ayce line.)

You've missed my point.

All you did in your post was rubbish Jones. You didn't mention Stanley at all.

[Testekill]

Re: Jones Vs Stanley

Interesting that Geelong offload Hamling and pick up Stanley if you ask me. Hamling's a more natural footballer and a cleaner mark. Geelong also have a few running 2nd rucks as well.

Geelong wanted to play silly buggers by delisting and rookieing Hamling. Hamling didn't want to be a rookie because it's literally luck of the draw if someone gets a LTI and there is much more security with a guaranteed contract as opposed to being rookied.