Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

[Remi Moses]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

We did go hard at Tom Longeran. Who fits this criteria perfectly. I get the feeling we had him signed until all the crap went down.

What would be the point ? Less game time for either Roberts or Talia, and he'll be retired with a nice super package when we're challenging . Time now for Talia and Roberts to show something, and to be honest every backline looks ordinary when the team doesn't defend .

[GVGjr]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

What would be the point ? Less game time for either Roberts or Talia, and he'll be retired with a nice super package when we're challenging . Time now for Talia and Roberts to show something, and to be honest every backline looks ordinary when the team doesn't defend .

I think before the end of the season we will be crying out for an experienced key defender to support both Talia and Roberts.

[Bornadog]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

He made the All Australian squad in 2014.

Really, well that is a joke.

EDIT: I just checked and I don't think he has been in the AA ever. Maybe a squad but they couldn't think of any one else for fullback.

[boydogs]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

In the off season we lost Austin (despite what some say, he was a mature body & serviceable) and Williams who was arguably our best tall in those brief fleeting moments he was uninjured.

Plus Jones & Young. The hole in our KP stocks wasn't through a lack of planning - we had 2 go backwards and get delisted, 1 retire at 28 and 1 ask to be traded in the one off-season

Our tall stocks look young and speculative although Redpath and Boyd are showing good signs. Our defensive stocks are terrible and if Roberts and somehow get his shoulders together, Roughy can recover from a poor 2014, Talia learns how to defend one on one and Hamling does a pre-season under Hird with all associated "supplements" then yes, we'd look better in the back half.

Right now speculative kids does not guarantee success. Melbourne has been banking talented kids with high draft picks for the better part of a decade and it's got them nowhere.

Roughead has shown he can defend well, he was carrying a shoulder injury last year. Unless we decide he is more valuable somewhere else we can lock him in at FB for the next 7 years. Talia looks good to me, I don't know why he didn't play last year when Roughead, Austin & Young were getting murdered and I think he will do well for us from this year onwards. He was very promising in 2013 and we were all scratching our heads as to why he wasn't played in 2014

That's FB & CHB sorted. Morris can play on smaller players but Hamling, Z Cordy, Roberts & Kelly might struggle for games if they make it. Roberts is too slow to play anything but KP, Hamling, Cordy & Kelly may make it as rebounders or 3rd tall defenders but Wood is doing well there now.

We have so many KPD options right now that it will be difficult to play them all in their preferred positions even at VFL level. There is not a lot of experience or proven AFL level talent there but we have plenty of them and they are at an age where they will peak at the same time as the stars on our list

[Greystache]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

Really, well that is a joke.

EDIT: I just checked and I don't think he has been in the AA ever. Maybe a squad but they couldn't think of any one else for fullback.

He made the All Australian squad in 2014. He didn't make the final team but was in the squad.

[Bornadog]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

He made the All Australian squad in 2014. He didn't make the final team but was in the squad.

Well my opinion is he is passed his best and I am glad we didn't recruit him.

[Mofra]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

Doesn't that remain to be seen? You target a cheap option and it doesn't work you're back to square one

Given the odds are low I want more than one option.
We have holes on our list and I think they should be filled. An AFL-ready KPD is one of them.

[Mofra]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

Roughead has shown he can defend well, he was carrying a shoulder injury last year. Unless we decide he is more valuable somewhere else we can lock him in at FB for the next 7 years. Talia looks good to me, I don't know why he didn't play last year when Roughead, Austin & Young were getting murdered and I think he will do well for us from this year onwards. He was very promising in 2013 and we were all scratching our heads as to why he wasn't played in 2014

Talia looked ok as long as he didn't have to defend one on one, which by all accounts is an issue he still struggles with. At AFL level opponents will find a weakness and exploit it - the concern is that Roughy gets killed on the lead while Talia gets killed one on one. An experienced forwardline will work that out quickly.
Roberts isn't much quicker than Roughy (if at all) but does everything else well, he can at least be serviceable if he manages to play a full season - and he hasn't even managed to do that at VFL level yet.

Hamling may have Grant's disease and simply not be able to put on the required weight, and after 3 years on an AFL list his running capacity is below par. Perhaps he can make it as a tallish rebounder but his tank really needs to improve to consider him in that role.

We have 4-5 'maybes' all at the same time - that is not good list management. We need a mixture of AFL ready players and developing types. Heck, Geelong have Taylor, Lonegan & Rivers in their best 22 as well as a 'tallish' Mackie and still took Delaney as a mature ager for depth.

[Mofra]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

Anyone know how much of the cap we're paying this year?

By rumour, we're struggling to pay 95% this year (hence the Grifyn payment to GWS).
That means we can pay 105% next year.

[boydogs]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

We have 4-5 'maybes' all at the same time - that is not good list management

How many non-maybe 21 year old KP's are there? I like the idea of them all peaking together

[Mofra]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

How many non-maybe 21 year old KP's are there? I like the idea of them all peaking together

I prefer the idea of having players at different age brackets developing at different times so we don't have holes in the list.

If you think we'll have a good defensive unit this year, fine - I don't believe we will and am expecting some poor results this year.

[Greystache]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

I prefer the idea of having players at different age brackets developing at different times so we don't have holes in the list.

If you think we'll have a good defensive unit this year, fine - I don't believe we will and am expecting some poor results this year.

Agree, and if they don't turn out we're literally back to square one of drafting a couple of 18 years olds and waiting 3-4 to see if they can make it. Recruiting key position players in batches and then sitting on them is insane. The only alternative we'll have is drafting a state league mature key defender, and the number of those to forge good careers in modern times could be counted on one hand.

[Twodogs]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

Agree, and if they don't turn out we're literally back to square one of drafting a couple of 18 years olds and waiting 3-4 to see if they can make it. Recruiting key position players in batches and then sitting on them is insane. The only alternative we'll have is drafting a state league mature key defender, and the number of those to forge good careers in modern times could be counted on one hand.

Is Dale Morris count as one?

A couple of likely types of tall defenders have been plucked from the state leagues in 2012 and 2013. Frost is it? Did he go to Collingwood?

[boydogs]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

I prefer the idea of having players at different age brackets developing at different times so we don't have holes in the list.

If you think we'll have a good defensive unit this year, fine - I don't believe we will and am expecting some poor results this year.

I don't buy the sustained success model and especially not for us. I think we should be targeting a window where Libba, Macrae, Dahlhaus, Bonts, Boyd, Stringer are 23-27, from 2018-2022

[Remi Moses]

Re: Family Day and Intra Club - 7 March 2015

Given the odds are low I want more than one option.
We have holes on our list and I think they should be filled. An AFL-ready KPD is one of them.

We just had two in Young and Austin, and they failed.
If we target a key back I'd like two things.
1) no fringe players
2) age group has to be right