2nd ruck role

[F'scary]

Re: 2nd ruck role

It doesn't bother me as much. Are we worried he will get hurt? It's only really the centre bounces that pose danger and even then you can't really get a big enough run up now days to cause too much damage.

It will help his fitness, get him up and ground and getting more touches of the footy. It may even fast track his developement a year or 2.

If we are copping a flogging and Boyd isn't seeing much footy I would be all for it.

I think this is a great point. Boyd shouldn't be treated as a delicate flower. Maybe he could be the chop out for Minson (5 minutes a quarter + rucking it when it is deep in the forward line), it could be a positive building experience for him, keep him involved, make him and his teamates feel like he earns his keep and could provide that bit of mixing it up that would keep our forward line from becoming too predictable.

[F'scary]

Re: 2nd ruck role

I think this is a great point. Boyd shouldn't be treated as a delicate flower. Maybe he could be the chop out for Minson (5 minutes a quarter + rucking it when it is deep in the forward line), it could be a positive building experience for him, keep him involved, make him and his teamates feel like he earns his keep and could provide that bit of mixing it up that would keep our forward line from becoming too predictable.

and I liked Bevo's interview - shows he thinks outside the square and employs lateral thinking.

[Bulldog4life]

Re: 2nd ruck role

Roughead of Hawthorn is a gun forward and the Hawks don't have a problem rucking him. Can't see a problem rucking Boyd if that's what the coach wants.

[Bandit]

Re: 2nd ruck role

On T Boyd. Has there ever been a 200cm player that doesnt play at least occasional minutes in the ruck? Gives fantastic flexibility. I like Minson as number one with Boyd and Redpath chopping out. Don't think Campbell and Minson can regularly play in the same team. I do see Campbell starting to put serious pressure on Minson though.

[KT31]

Re: 2nd ruck role

On T Boyd. Has there ever been a 200cm player that doesnt play at least occasional minutes in the ruck? Gives fantastic flexibility. I like Minson as number one with Boyd and Redpath chopping out. Don't think Campbell and Minson can regularly play in the same team. I do see Campbell starting to put serious pressure on Minson though.

Lets put it into perspective and ignore his height for a minute.
Boyd is a hell of a lot more important as the key forward to us than in the ruck.
Going by your theory whilst not 200cm, for their day Dunstall, Lockett and Bazza should have shared ruck duties.

[LostDoggy]

Re: 2nd ruck role

Lets put it into perspective and ignore his height for a minute.
Boyd is a hell of a lot more important as the key forward to us than in the ruck.
Going by your theory whilst not 200cm, for their day Dunstall, Lockett and Bazza should have shared ruck duties.

Huh? I'm not sure we can ignore the height given the fact this thread is about the 2nd ruck roll.

Also I'm not sure the comparison with the players you have mentioned makes much sense..

If those blokes were 200cm and playing in todays game, where rule changes and game styles has changed considerably, so teams can't afford to just have two big dinosaurs in the team who can ruck and that's all. Then sure, they probably would have spent some time as a relief ruckman.

[jeemak]

Re: 2nd ruck role

How is being the second ruck more physically demanding than being the only genuine tall forward?

If I was a betting man I'd suggest his body would cop more abuse in the latter role, such is the propensity for us to move the ball slowly and expose our forwards to 2 on 3 or 2 on 4 contests.

[Go_Dogs]

Re: 2nd ruck role

How is being the second ruck more physically demanding than being the only genuine tall forward?

If I was a betting man I'd suggest his body would cop more abuse in the latter role, such is the propensity for us to move the ball slowly and expose our forwards to 2 on 3 or 2 on 4 contests.

To be fair, you may be right.

My concerns are, in the ruck he's more likely to be up against comparatively sized players, as far as height and weight, whilst there'll be some big bodies down back, having big 200cm players run straight at you and try to hurt you. is perhaps going to be a bigger load to deal with, particularly after dealing with all the contesting in the F50.

[jeemak]

Re: 2nd ruck role

To be fair, you may be right.

My concerns are, in the ruck he's more likely to be up against comparatively sized players, as far as height and weight, whilst there'll be some big bodies down back, having big 200cm players run straight at you and try to hurt you. is perhaps going to be a bigger load to deal with, particularly after dealing with all the contesting in the F50.

But is the ruck position really about that these days?

When the opposition's main ruck is resting, I'd assume we'll rest ours......unless we think we can expose that situation to our advantage.

This means that a Boyd is likely to come up against the second ruck from our opposition.

Seriously, give the guys some shin pads and let him get on with it. Ruck contest aren't what they used to be in terms of physicality. He'll be fine.

[F'scary]

Re: 2nd ruck role

Lets put it into perspective and ignore his height for a minute.
Boyd is a hell of a lot more important as the key forward to us than in the ruck.
Going by your theory whilst not 200cm, for their day Dunstall, Lockett and Bazza should have shared ruck duties.

KT31, Lockett in fact did pinch hit in the ruck for his first few seasons. He was actually pretty good at it.

[KT31]

Re: 2nd ruck role

Huh? I'm not sure we can ignore the height given the fact this thread is about the 2nd ruck roll.

Also I'm not sure the comparison with the players you have mentioned makes much sense..

If those blokes were 200cm and playing in todays game, where rule changes and game styles has changed considerably, so teams can't afford to just have two big dinosaurs in the team who can ruck and that's all. Then sure, they probably would have spent some time as a relief ruckman.

Its not a straight height issue for me, its more I don't want to see the key forward we have been screaming out for decades end up with a injury that could have been avoided.
I realise this is more a cotton wool theory than practical but with our players continually mentioning how hard the Etihad surface is( especially the compacted centre square), I don't see the need to risk him.
Fair darts if our ruck was injured and it was out of desperation but I would rather Roughy go into the ruck.
Its just my opinion but I would love to see Boyd concentrate on learning the traits to become a great forward than spend time on ruck duties and forward work.

[Bornadog]

Re: 2nd ruck role

Its just my opinion but I would love to see Boyd concentrate on learning the traits to become a great forward than spend time on ruck duties and forward work.

I agree, his role is FF, we haven't had one this young with potential since Grant started in 1990. Why take him away from the position and leave a big hole there again, even if its for 5 minute stints.

[Mofra]

Re: 2nd ruck role

On T Boyd. Has there ever been a 200cm player that doesnt play at least occasional minutes in the ruck?

Cam Wight?

[Mofra]

Re: 2nd ruck role

Lets put it into perspective and ignore his height for a minute.
Boyd is a hell of a lot more important as the key forward to us than in the ruck.
Going by your theory whilst not 200cm, for their day Dunstall, Lockett and Bazza should have shared ruck duties.

In their day teams often played two ruckmen (or played the traditional "kick behind the play" role a la Wynd) so they didn't need to give a chop out - not that Dunstall or Lockett would have been tall enough anyway.

[always right]

Re: 2nd ruck role

Cam Wight?

I actually recall Wight spending a small amount of time in the ruck on several occasions.