Our Biggest Turncoat?

[Missing Dog]

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Jezza still hurts Carlton fans and I feel their pain.(but i did love it).Its definately Griff for me two of my faves now playing for the Syd Jaffa's I may have a new most hated club!!!!.

[F'scary]

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Thats how I see it. Good move for both parties, no hard feelings. Lake is a Life Member of the Club and gave his best, which was elite for the FB position.

sorry but I disagree on him not being a turncoat although I acknowledge that the circumstances were primarily created by the free agency rule which is a heavy mitigating factor for Lake's actions - greatly reducing his culpability. Looking back on it, was this the first crack in McCartney's stewardship? Lake was disgruntled with the coach's use of him and the pressure the club was putting him under to play when he felt he was injured.

[bulldogtragic]

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sorry but I disagree on him not being a turncoat although I acknowledge that the circumstances were primarily created by the free agency rule which is a heavy mitigating factor for Lake's actions - greatly reducing his culpability. Looking back on it, was this the first crack in McCartney's stewardship? Lake was disgruntled with the coach's use of him and the pressure the club was putting him under to play when he felt he was injured.

Free agency? Free agency? He was under contract my friend and don't you ****** forget it. Canary yellow in deed... (In my best 12th man BL voice)

He was told by the former coach he wasn't going to be played where he had all his AFL career. Then the relationship seemed allowed almost to deteriorate and then a trade of unders offered and accepted to. Chef explained why he shouldn't be in this thread, facts to me says he is not a definitional turncoat.

[F'scary]

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Free agency? Free agency? He was under contract my friend and don't you ****** forget it. Canary yellow in deed... (In my best 12th man BL voice)

He was told by the former coach he wasn't going to be played where he had all his AFL career. Then the relationship seemed allowed almost to deteriorate and then a trade of unders offered and accepted to. Chef explained why he shouldn't be in this thread, facts to me says he is not a definitional turncoat.

I stand corrected on the free agency point - memory failure - but isn't anyone who wants to leave for greener pastures a turncoat? It is just a question of degrees of culpability.

[bulldogtragic]

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I stand corrected on the free agency point - memory failure - but isn't anyone who wants to leave for greener pastures a turncoat? It is just a question of degrees of culpability.

That's a great philosophical question through the ages, is ones man freedom fighter not another mans terrorist. So along that point yes, it's all perspective. My view is if we effectively force them out then for me it's a no to the thread question. FA blurs that line as did we force Higgins out, or take good compo as incentive no to try harder?

Griffen.

[ratsmac]

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Free agency is forcing clubs to trade players a year before they come out of contract so that the club get to decide what deal accept as a fair price rather than waiting for compensation from the AFL. Therefore Lake did leave due to free agency. Good luck to him I say. We got his best years. He would have to be one of the luckiest blokes getting around though. Hawthorn wanted him while they were on the cusp of back to backs. Cooney has left on pretty much identical circumstances, but sadly for Coons I can't see the drug cheats getting anywhere near a flag this year the way things are looking.

Griff is our biggest turn coat in my opinion with Nathan Brown a close second. I was too young to feel any bitterness toward KT or Edmond. Obviously Templeton was done and as it turned out so was Jimmy. I was upset watching the Hawk play for the Roy's but he was washed up and so were Fitzroy. Callan Ward is a player who I think we all hate watching play for the plastic team but can understand the offer was just too good to knock back. Chris Grant is the only person who would of knocked back such a deal. Ward gets off the hook on a technicality.

[Mofra]

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Jones & Brown were offered lower contracts by the Bulldogs when negotiating with them to stay - I can understand both of them wanting out, especially considering Brown had significantly lifted his output in his last year with us.

Griff is different by far - it wasn't money, and he still wanted out after the coach was gone.

[G-Mo77]

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Griffin. What a pile of garbage! The only persons existence at the club whipped from my memory quicker is Aker. I wish nothing but misery for him at his new "club"

[westdog54]

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Griffen has easily hurt the most.

Even with Nathan Brown, we could pretty much see it coming all year that he wasn't going to remain, that the almighty dollar would see him leave the club.

Griffen's departure came from absolutely nowhere and came with a background of openly deceiving the powers that be and misleading teh club and its supporers.

We may have made lemonade out of the lemons but it doesn't mitigate Ryan's actions. Never will.

[Sedat]

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He gave his best footy for us and left for less money to chase a premiership(which he deserved) when the was zero chance of him getting it here before retirement.

He left without a sour taste and he still sees himself as a Bulldog person.

And Griffen didn't? I don't think we've had a better finals player in our club's history.

[ReLoad]

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I wonder how other clubs compare in their lists of traitors, ours seems to be substantial.

I'm going to float another one which is quite fresh:

Adam Cooney

He is a dill for leaving and here is why:
Essendon, I mean really? all he is going to get is embroiled in their still ongoing nonsense. They are not going to be anywhere near a grand final, let alone a prelim. At least do a Lake and go to a team with a real shot.

He is now officially "Tainted" as far as we are concerned having left us for no real reason.

Its no problems for us as a team, his body is shot and his footy best is behind him, but we have stuck fat with Adam over the last 5 years and left no stone unturned in helping him medically and also honoring his huge contract.

I'm really disappointed in Adam, i thought better of him i really did.

Now he's just another schmuck at the drug cheats.

[Greystache]

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And Griffen didn't? I don't think we've had a better finals player in our club's history.

Agree, and sadly Lake is probably his closest rival. A lot of the legends of our club were anything but legendary when finals came around, Gryphin was an exception in that his best games were often finals.

[AndrewP6]

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I wonder how other clubs compare in their lists of traitors, ours seems to be substantial.

I'm going to float another one which is quite fresh:

Adam Cooney

He is a dill for leaving and here is why:
Essendon, I mean really? all he is going to get is embroiled in their still ongoing nonsense. They are not going to be anywhere near a grand final, let alone a prelim. At least do a Lake and go to a team with a real shot.

He is now officially "Tainted" as far as we are concerned having left us for no real reason.

Its no problems for us as a team, his body is shot and his footy best is behind him, but we have stuck fat with Adam over the last 5 years and left no stone unturned in helping him medically and also honoring his huge contract.

I'm really disappointed in Adam, i thought better of him i really did.

Now he's just another schmuck at the drug cheats.

Unfair to Coons. He was told he was going to get less playing time, he disagreed and wanted to play. They didn't stick by him in the end. No ill towards him, and he's not in the same category as Griffen.

[Greystache]

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One that really annoyed me was Luke Penny. He's was a terrible footballer, but we wasted a first round pick on him, and the moment he thought he had some currency in the market he jumped as quick as he could. It was never going to hurt us because he couldn't play at all, but it screamed douchebag.

[Greystache]

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Unfair to Coons. He was told he was going to get less playing time, he disagreed and wanted to play. They didn't stick by him in the end. No ill towards him, and he's not in the same category as Griffen.

That's the edited version he put out in the media, along with Essendon's spongy floor, and his desperation to play under Hird. He was actually told that if he didn't improve his defensive efforts and start playing to the team structure he would get less game time. He refused to accept he should have to do either of those things and wanted out. His leaving the club was his own doing and a completely selfish act, nothing more and nothing less. The fact the culture at the club dramatically improved from his leaving was just the silver lining for us.