Indigenous Round 2015

[GVGjr]

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I wonder what the trigger was for it? Was it out of character for Goodes?
It reminded me of the Haka.

[jeemak]

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So apparently some young folk did some cultural stuff with Sydney in line with Indigenous Round and it involved war dances etc. and Goodes was honouring that.

He was pressed on whether it involved anything to do with the crowd reaction to him, he said it didn't.

I'm really staggered over how polarising Goodes is as a player and person. I definitely think he's wearing a lot of backlash for being awarded the Australian of the Year a few years ago. There's elements of the public that didn't think he deserved it and think he leveraged it to push an agenda. Whether that's a racism issue or a personality issue I'm not sure.

[Bornadog]

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[Remi Moses]

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So apparently some young folk did some cultural stuff with Sydney in line with Indigenous Round and it involved war dances etc. and Goodes was honouring that.

He was pressed on whether it involved anything to do with the crowd reaction to him, he said it didn't.

I'm really staggered over how polarising Goodes is as a player and person. I definitely think he's wearing a lot of backlash for being awarded the Australian of the Year a few years ago. There's elements of the public that didn't think he deserved it and think he leveraged it to push an agenda. Whether that's a racism issue or a personality issue I'm not sure.

I don't get the whole backlash on Goodes being awarded Australian of the year!
It was okay for Steve Waugh to be named and others such as Ita Buttrose, whom were nominated for their work outside their profession . Goodes was nominated for his work with the indigenous community, obviously .
The whole diving excuse is just that , an excuse. One of our own dived often, as have others who are not booed.
The calling out of his racial accuser is another reason I hear, but isn't it a positive for a young impressionable person to be educated of their wrong ways ? My opinion is Adam has hit on a sore point of Australian history and folks don't like hearing it.
A black man with an opinion should know his place

[jeemak]

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It's the conversation the country desperately needs to have, but is resisting totally.

The AFL has a serious problem on its hands. It's trying to push an image of tolerance and inclusiveness, at a time where the commercial market it operates within has a serious lean towards nationalism and in some ways racism. On the opening night of its Indigenous Round its star ambassador, Australian of the Year and most high profile indigenous player is being booed for reasons according to some, revolve around being indigenous!

How does AFL House deal with this? All of their paper over cracks management and celebration of indigenous talent probably hasn't been the answer for some time, but now the public has actually moved beyond the pleasantries of indulging some self-serving marketing of the issue with the end result being what we've seen these past two weeks.

Since the Collingwood game and the subsequent Eddie McGuire fiasco, it actually seems as if the tolerance towards this type of thing from the public has relaxed a little bit. Sure, the odd person gets kicked out of the crowd for saying discriminatory things about homosexuals, or Asians, Aboriginals etc., but that hardly represents a job well done when you have massive sections of crowds booing an indigenous footballer two weeks in a row for reasons many see as racially motivated.

I'm glad I'm just a transport nuff nuff and we don't have to deal with these issues...........

[hujsh]

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I remember the consensus at my former club, after Goodes had the girl ejected for a racial slur, being that he was a sook. This opinion being held mostly by white men who'd know a thing or two about discrimination.

[Throughandthrough]

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I really rate Goodes as a person and as a footballer.

[SonofScray]

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I applaud Goodes for using his profile to stimulate discussion. I loved the war dance, on a few levels, it was a rare representation of culture in day to day Australian life, it was demonstrative and novel, something we see very little of in a clinically managed, safe, world. It by design is meant to incite, which I think is a fair point of criticism though.

I used to boo him because I hated his diving and appealing for frees in combination with what I saw as a free run with dirty play. The booing he is getting has gone beyond that, so I have stopped. I don't want to participate in anything that I feel is racist.

[chef]

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I wonder what the trigger was for it? Was it out of character for Goodes?
It reminded me of the Haka.

From the man himself

“I was just a little bit inspired by the under-16 Boomerang kids, who taught us a little bit of a war cry, just a little bit of a tribute to those guys,” Goodes said.

[1eyedog]

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All

Anyone just witness Adam Goodes' "war dance" at the SCG tonight? On first view, I thought it looked harmless enough, but on further viewings, am a little unnerved and perturbed by its overtly adversarial nature. I have no doubt this will predominate tomorrow's sporting dialogue.

Any opinions?

Roscoe

A combination of pride, disappointment and passion I think. It is obviously really affecting him. In a perfect world he would be immune to the insults of fans but he is very passionate about his culture and I understand why he did it.

I honestly don't think it started out as a racist boo, but I'm sure now it has incorporated racist elements. I think it started from his propensity to dive and stage which is probably the only blight on his distinguished career.

[1eyedog]

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I wonder what the trigger was for it? Was it out of character for Goodes?
It reminded me of the Haka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdhrUKRdKM8

[Bornadog]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdhrUKRdKM8

Great stuff, I love a bit of culture.

[1eyedog]

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I don't get the whole backlash on Goodes being awarded Australian of the year!
It was okay for Steve Waugh to be named and others such as Ita Buttrose, whom were nominated for their work outside their profession . Goodes was nominated for his work with the indigenous community, obviously .
The whole diving excuse is just that , an excuse. One of our own dived often, as have others who are not booed.
The calling out of his racial accuser is another reason I hear, but isn't it a positive for a young impressionable person to be educated of their wrong ways ? My opinion is Adam has hit on a sore point of Australian history and folks don't like hearing it.
A black man with an opinion should know his place

Thanks Remi. As a person who has Aboriginal origins I and many of my friends who display far more physical Aboriginal traits than I think that your opinion is fairly spot on. We are still dealing with racism on a daily basis and it is a vestige of the White Australia policy and that older baby boomer generation. While this has filtered down generations kids are more open-minded now and are challenging the stereotypical ideologies of their parents.

[1eyedog]

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From the man himself

“I was just a little bit inspired by the under-16 Boomerang kids, who taught us a little bit of a war cry, just a little bit of a tribute to those guys,” Goodes said.

The dance was straight at a large section of the Carlton crowd who were booing.

His answer is the one that doesn't cause provocation. I actually wished he'd given us the real answer to stimulate a debate about racism in sport. Indigenous round seemed like a good medium for this, surprised he didn't actually given how outspoken he is.

Looking forward to going straight from the game today to dream time at the G.

[Sedat]

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We've become such a whiny, entitled, ignorant and self-absorbed nation, and the manifestation of this in the AFL is that crowds will continue to boo Goodes loudly because they hate being told to do (or not to do) anything.

Goodes' war dance yesterday was passionate and provocative but that was the whole point. It is indigenous round and he marked the occasion with something unique to his people. The only question I have is would he have done it if the match was in the balance and against a better opponent.