Indigenous Round 2015

[Guest]

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All,

Enjoying the thread and the excellent and well considered posts on the Goodes dance.

For me, one question now lingers ..... what would Michael Long have been thinking when it happened (assuming he was watching live), and what is he thinking now in the aftermath?

Has it the potential to divert from the Indigenous Round, or perhaps paradoxically, enhance it?

[1eyedog]

Re: Indigenous Round 2015

All,

Enjoying the thread and the excellent and well considered posts on the Goodes dance.

For me, one question now lingers ..... what would Michael Long have been thinking when it happened (assuming he was watching live), and what is he thinking now in the aftermath?

Has it the potential to divert from the Indigenous Round, or perhaps paradoxically, enhance it?

Longy would have been proud. Goodes is a strategic individual - he did it for all Aboriginal people. I think the action was enough and hit the target audience. I can only surmise that Goodes suspected that to elaborate on it post-match would have detracted from the bigger picture.

[Dancin' Douggy]

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I think it would have been great if he taught the whole team the war dance and they did it together.
No one would be complaining about that, and Goodes wouldn't be singled out.

I agree with the general mood that it's ridiculous having these endless discussions, held by white males about what is and isn't racist behaviour. I generally dismiss most things robbo says and writes, but I think he wrote about it pretty well today.

If I was a swans player, I'd say 'Goodsy; teach us all the dance and we'll all do it together next week"

Man, I would LOVE to see that.

[GVGjr]

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We've become such a whiny, entitled, ignorant and self-absorbed nation, and the manifestation of this in the AFL is that crowds will continue to boo Goodes loudly because they hate being told to do (or not to do) anything.

Goodes' war dance yesterday was passionate and provocative but that was the whole point. It is indigenous round and he marked the occasion with something unique to his people. The only question I have is would he have done it if the match was in the balance and against a better opponent.

I respect Goodes but what was the catalyst for a war dance directed to the fans? It's typically directed towards the opposition before a battle not during. Having it performed before the game is the more appropriate time time especially as it is the Indigenous round. I think it would be a great pre game addition for future Indigenous rounds.

[Happy Days]

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Thanks Remi. As a person who has Aboriginal origins I and many of my friends who display far more physical Aboriginal traits than I think that your opinion is fairly spot on. We are still dealing with racism on a daily basis and it is a vestige of the White Australia policy and that older baby boomer generation. While this has filtered down generations kids are more open-minded now and are challenging the stereotypical ideologies of their parents.

100%

That Goodes used his Australian of the Year platform to table a discussion on race relations held up a big mirror to the "I'm not racist but" crowd, hence the reaction we are seeing.

The justifications for the booing are just the best btw. I actually heard a guy say opposition supporters boo Goodes because "the defensive side of his game is poor". If an opposition player's defensive game is poor I'm going to be cheering him on!

[Guest]

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Agree with GVGjr,

A pre-game performance would have been more appropriate, assuming it was for entertainment and/or educational purposes. However, my inkling is that was not intended in that form.

To quote from Robb's article today:

"I liked the dance. I liked the passion. I liked his courage. And then he got back to footy.


Still, five seconds of passion will no doubt come at a cost."

100% agree!! It is the "cost" that is perhaps to be determined.

[GVGjr]

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From the man himself

“I was just a little bit inspired by the under-16 Boomerang kids, who taught us a little bit of a war cry, just a little bit of a tribute to those guys,” Goodes said.

As I have previously mentioned, it's a war dance and that wasn't directed towards the opposition before the battle.

[jeemak]

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I for one am glad it wasn't stage managed before the game.

[Guest]

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Is this potentially a Nicky Winmar moment?

[jeemak]

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Double post......sorry.

[jeemak]

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Is this potentially a Nicky Winmar moment?

I think the Winmar moment was the most definitive protest (I can recall), people wanted him strung up for that.

[chef]

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As I have previously mentioned, it's a war dance and that wasn't directed towards the opposition before the battle.

A war dance aimed at morons abusing him. I'm cool with that.

Goodesy has been fighting this battle all his life.

[Guest]

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[GVGjr]

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A war dance aimed at morons abusing him. I'm cool with that.

Goodesy has been fighting this battle all his life.

Has that been established as correct and the reason he directed it towards the fans? You quoted the Boomerangs as the catalyst.

[chef]

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Has that been established as correct and the reason he directed it towards the fans? You quoted the Boomerangs as the catalyst.

I really dont care either way Gary, i quoted what Adam actually said others have said he aimed it at the crowd and if he did im cool with that . I'm sure theres a bit of both TBH.

I don't see why people are getting so worked up about why he did, he obviously felt the need and it look fantastic. Adam is not some tool who lucky enough to be good at football, he a very classy 'citizen' and someone who's going to be involved in the he public eye (politics perhaps) for a very long time.