Post-flag plummet was always possible

[Bornadog]

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Bevo was very dirty that our game plan was leaked to Adelaide in 2015 because had we won that game we were right in contention that year as well as 2016 so I think he got it a bit wrong. We should have been contenders last year and this year as well. That would have been 4 years as genuine contenders which was how good our list was.

Bevo's comments were at the start of 2015 when he looked at a very young team on paper. Once we started winning in 2015, he was pretty happy with the team and thought we could go all the way.

First Grant and now Murphy have essentially indicated we have fluked it in 2016.

I don't believe anyone at the club thinks we FLUKED it - if they do then they have the wrong attitude. I for one did not read that in Grant's or Bob's articles. We were one of the youngest teams to win a Grand Final, so in a way it was unexpected to a certain extent.

About 2016 people keep talking about an amazing 4 weeks in the finals - which it was, but never about the 7 games we lost. Of those 7 games we were only soundly beaten in one match (Geelong at Etihad). In the other 6 we were more than competitive losing several by around a goal but none more than 3 or 4.

[GVGjr]

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I don't believe anyone at the club thinks we FLUKED it - if they do then they have the wrong attitude. I for one did not read that in Grant's or Bob's articles. We were one of the youngest teams to win a Grand Final, so in a way it was unexpected to a certain extent.

About 2016 people keep talking about an amazing 4 weeks in the finals - which it was, but never about the 7 games we lost. Of those 7 games we were only soundly beaten in one match (Geelong at Etihad). In the other 6 we were more than competitive losing several by around a goal but none more than 3 or 4.

If we weren't ready for it how did we win it? Was it Stephen Bradbury style?
We were an almost excellent team in 2015 and 2016. To diminish the results as a way of explaining where we are now isn't right

[Bornadog]

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If we weren't ready for it how did we win it? Was it Stephen Bradbury style?
We were an almost excellent team in 2015 and 2016. To diminish the results as a way of explaining where we are now isn't right

Who said we weren't ready for it?

[Sedat]

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Who said we weren't ready for it?

Bob and Granty, even Bevo. Which is total horse shit of course.

[Bornadog]

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Bob and Granty, even Bevo. Which is total horse shit of course.

I don't believe that is what they said. You need to re-read

[Twodogs]

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I wonder what Sydney are thinking watching all this?

[G-Mo77]

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I wonder what Sydney are thinking watching all this?

They're to busy complaining about free kicks.

[Mofra]

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If we weren't ready for it how did we win it? Was it Stephen Bradbury style?
We were an almost excellent team in 2015 and 2016. To diminish the results as a way of explaining where we are now isn't right

That might be your interpretation of Murphy's comments, it certainly isn't mine.

To me Bob is saying we haven't handled the post GF success well and he's 100% correct, we clearly haven't.

[Bornadog]

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That might be your interpretation of Murphy's comments, it certainly isn't mine.

To me Bob is saying we haven't handled the post GF success well and he's 100% correct, we clearly haven't.

This^^^

and Grant was saying a similar thing.

We are a young team and when experienced players go down, we don't have experience to come back in.

As for players playing up off field, and being silly - well hasn't this happened for ever in any sport

[Daughter of the West]

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That might be your interpretation of Murphy's comments, it certainly isn't mine.

To me Bob is saying we haven't handled the post GF success well and he's 100% correct, we clearly haven't.

He's right, but it's also a really poor excuse.

How long was it before Sydney broke the drought? Now a regular feature in finals.

How long was it before Geelong broke the drought? Also now a regular feature in finals.

Instead of dwelling in this, "Poor us, we're not used to winning, we didn't know (and still don't) know what to do with ourselves" rubbish narrative, everyone should be sat down and have a good hard look at how the hell the club is operating. Review Sydney. Review Geelong. What have they done that is so dramatically different?

AND STOP WITH THE F**KING EXCUSES. If things need to change, change it. If people need to be brought down a peg or two, so be it. No passengers.

[bulldogtragic]

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Amen Sister. Amen.

[Twodogs]

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He's right, but it's also a really poor excuse.

How long was it before Sydney broke the drought? Now a regular feature in finals.

How long was it before Geelong broke the drought? Also now a regular feature in finals.

Instead of dwelling in this, "Poor us, we're not used to winning, we didn't know (and still don't) know what to do with ourselves" rubbish narrative, everyone should be sat down and have a good hard look at how the hell the club is operating. Review Sydney. Review Geelong. What have they done that is so dramatically different?

AND STOP WITH THE F**KING EXCUSES. If things need to change, change it. If people need to be brought down a peg or two, so be it. No passengers.

Yep, I hate excuses.

[Sedat]

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To me Bob is saying we haven't handled the post GF success well and he's 100% correct, we clearly haven't.

Every rational Bulldogs supporter would be in agreement with this. But that is light years away from the Bob/Granty/Bevo comments, which are in effect denigrading our premiership success by stating we weren't ready to win it (wrong, we won it), it was something of a lucky win (also wrong, 19 wins in a season following an excellent previous season) and the big fall since was all part of the master plan (completely wrong, their actions on list management post GF are there for all to see).

For mine, they would rather talk down the wonderful achievement of the premiership than admit to the many mistakes they have made since. And to me that is appalling communication and very disrespectful to the footy club and its supporters.

[Mofra]

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He's right, but it's also a really poor excuse.

How long was it before Sydney broke the drought? Now a regular feature in finals.

How long was it before Geelong broke the drought? Also now a regular feature in finals.

Instead of dwelling in this, "Poor us, we're not used to winning, we didn't know (and still don't) know what to do with ourselves" rubbish narrative, everyone should be sat down and have a good hard look at how the hell the club is operating. Review Sydney. Review Geelong. What have they done that is so dramatically different?

AND STOP WITH THE F**KING EXCUSES. If things need to change, change it. If people need to be brought down a peg or two, so be it. No passengers.

Sydney made a Grand Final or two before they actually did break the drought and had a decade or so of changing the culture prior to the breakthough.
Ditto Geelong.

We had two attempts to changing the culture as far as I can tell in the 90s and 2000s - once under Terry Wallace, once under Rodney Eade. Both phases seemed to present a radical shift.

The hope is Bevo is laying the foundations for sustained success and right now we're about to have a broom sweep through all areas of the club (some has occurred already) given we know what we now know.

Given Bevo's pedigree and the club's experience post-2016 we're in a better place to do this than at any time in living memory. We Clearly have work to do in this space if the past 18 months have been any guide.

[Twodogs]

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Part of me wonders if Bob would be talking down what an acheivment winning in 2016 was if he had of played in the premiership side himself.

Then again if all my teammates had won a flag and I'd missed out I'd be a little bit peeved that a large bunch of them decided to take the next year off to celebrate instead of doing everything they could to strike while the iron was hot.