Boyd less than buoyed by sloppy kicking

[Bornadog]

Re: Boyd less than buoyed by sloppy kicking

How is 'effective' defined by this stats provider?

AFL Stats, - I don't know.

[Missing-Dog]

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His average effective disposals in 2011 was 62%, so he is elite based on your criteria.
For comparison with highest possession gatherers, Judd is at 67%, Josh Kennedy 62%, Priddis 62%, Swan 69% and the best is Pendulbury at 78%.

Had a bad day on Sunday with 53% effective.

Facts speak for them selves, not perception or memory of a couple of clangers.

I said borderline elite, not elite.

He would need to improve his disposal effectiveness, not jsut disposal.. Pendles is just gifted, Boyd isnt so will never be that effective and is unfair to expect that

[LostDoggy]

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We really need to break down Boyd's effective stats in particular those taken by foot.

This. Just get his effectiveness percentage by foot.

He tends to split his kicking and handballing quite evenly over his games (roughly), and the fact that he has close to a 80% disposal effectiveness by hand but closer to 50/60% overall suggests that his kicking efficiency is close to around 30%.

So what the stats actually show is that he is unquestionably an elite ballgetter and handballer, but a really, really average kick (being kind). I think what it actually says (and many are already saying this) is that he's trying to do too much with his kicks, so it may not be that he is an average kick, but that he's performing average kicks, if that makes any sense.

Playing within his limits, he's not a bad kick at all. Playing outside his limits, well, 30% kicking efficiency says it all, doesn't it?

[jeemak]

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Of course they do. Only in footy of all sports is the actual number of possession rated so highly, as opposed to the quality of your possession.

Does anyone care how many times a guy gets the ball in field hockey? People only care what you do with it. I never remembered my soccer coaches telling me to aim to get it 80 times a game, just what to do when I did get it. Which paper reported how many times Wayne Rooney got the ball on the weekend? None. (I'm not saying it's not important -- soccer coaches do track these things and you don't want some guys -- like Xavi or Messi -- getting it a lot, but it's just not a big part of the way people evaluate a players' worth.) Same in basketball -- you actually WANT the ball in the hands of the worst users as they'll likely turn it over so you structure your defence accordingly to let them have it.

Just like basketball, turnovers are a major source of scoring in modern footy, so I'm sure that's exactly what opposition coaches are doing -- if, as an Eagles coach, you know that Boydy getting the ball means that you'll score more likely than not from the turnover (or at least get the ball back -- with a 30% kicking efficiency rating that means he actually won the ball 14 times for the Eagles) why wouldn't you let him get it 50 times in traffic?

I think possession counts are rated more highly in in Australian Rules because it can be so bloody hard to get the ball. It demonstrates work rate as well, in a lot of cases just as tackle counts do.

Appreciate what you're saying though, and up only a couple of years ago all you had to do to get recognised was get the thing. Your point about modern footy being closely aligned with basketball with respect to scoring from turnovers is well made, and I think comentary on the game is starting to take this into account.

[Missing-Dog]

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This. Just get his effectiveness percentage by foot.

He tends to split his kicking and handballing quite evenly over his games (roughly), and the fact that he has close to a 80% disposal effectiveness by hand but closer to 50/60% overall suggests that his kicking efficiency is close to around 30%.

So what the stats actually show is that he is unquestionably an elite ballgetter and handballer, but a really, really average kick (being kind). I think what it actually says (and many are already saying this) is that he's trying to do too much with his kicks, so it may not be that he is an average kick, but that he's performing average kicks, if that makes any sense.

Playing within his limits, he's not a bad kick at all. Playing outside his limits, well, 30% kicking efficiency says it all, doesn't it?

Exactly if his kicking is 50% and handballs are 80% then it's a 65% efficiency return which is in the top 5 in the league! Some times just take an easier option and open the play instead of going for that pin point pass that will rarely pay off.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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I'd also like to know the % of goals that occur as a result of Boyd's turnovers. They generally seem to be in dangerous parts of the ground (eg. corridor) which inevitably ends up in an opposition scoring shot.

Judd's not great by foot, but he weights the ball much better than Boyd, and certainly doesn't turn it over in the same spots as Boydy.

[LostDoggy]

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Only in footy of all sports is the actual number of possession rated so highly, as opposed to the quality of your possession.

Lantern, if the AFL didn't keep the "possession" stat, how would they know who to give the brownlow votes to? You'd have hardworking backmen getting votes and that is just absurd.

[Desipura]

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If a player grubs a kick to a teammate and he picks it up and takes a few steps and is tackled and paid holding the ball against, was that kick classified as effective?

[Mofra]

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Cassius looks like he is kicking on the wrong foot every time

He has a double hand drop which makes it look this way IMO.

He drops the ball very close to his quad, the replays at the game made it look very awkward.

[Mofra]

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How is 'effective' defined by this stats provider?

The AFL loves it's buzzowrd so he's one: "To advantage"

From memory a long kick that gains metres but ends in a stalemate (out of bound or a ball up) is deemed effective.

[ledge]

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We have a few strange looking kickers, Jones and Grant.

[1eyedog]

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I don't know why Libba always gets lumped into the can't kick category. He may not be a penetrating kick but he hits a target as well as anyone, puts the ball to a team mates advantage, and kicks within his limitations. He's actually someone Boyd could learn a lot from.

You're right he is not a penetrating kick but he is a straight kick. The problem with his kicking is that the ball tends to balloon to team mates giving the opposition time to defend in the air. Either way this is a disadvantage. I thought we were talking about getting very good (if not elite) players who kick the ball well in the midfield rather than just ones who know how to kick within their limitations.

[Ghost Dog]

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You're right he is not a penetrating kick but he is a straight kick. The problem with his kicking is that the ball tends to balloon to team mates giving the opposition time to defend in the air. Either way this is a disadvantage. I thought we were talking about getting very good (if not elite) players who kick the ball well in the midfield rather than just ones who know how to kick within their limitations.

A long handball is as good as a short kick. As long as he gets it where it needs to go, don't care if its a handball or a kick.

[Mofra]

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Libba was one of the standouts for the draft camp kicking though I thought.
I'm actually pretty comfortable with his disposal, especially when he gets time to wind up on his left foot. Certainly has his old man covered.

[Remi Moses]

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Love Boyd as a player, but 30 % kicking efficiency isn't good enough