Stand Alone Bulldogs VFL Team in 2014

[azabob]

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Stand alone Geelong too good for Port.

Shouldn't that read stand alone Geelong too good for stand alone Port?

[Mofra]

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So we have our sports science team on the cutting edge with sufficient technology and resources already in place? If so, then why didn't we make this move earlier?

To me it's like a cousin crying poor all the time whinging that they are struggling to manage with the basics of life but then rocking up for a visit with a new car.
You don't begrudge them having a new car but you wonder what else they will now have to go without to pay for it.

I think we could spend some money in a more productive way and this move seems premature and out of sequence of what we should be working towards.

What I don't want to hear in the next 12 months is that we are a mile behind other clubs in terms of sports technology spending and using that as a reason why we are struggling to keep up with other clubs.

The Williamstown alignment was working pretty well. Of course it wasn't 100% but our players were given the opportunity to play. I certainly don't view it as a reason why we haven't performed well and why some of our players struggle with the basics.

The additional cost to us of having a VFL club is the equivalent of one high paid sports performance manager or trainer (ie teh Weapon's salary) - the bang for buck of controlling our player development is much greater with the stand alone VFL club IMO.

We're going around in circles, but the evidence suggests a stand alone VFL club offers a better opportunity for player development for only a modest increase in football department spend.

It's a decision that seems to make sense in every way we look at it.

[HOSE B ROMERO]

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Professional move by Smorgan and co. Being called Footscray and playing at the Western Oval is nice and sentimental but this decision goes beyond that. Good debate though. Looking forward to reviving the early 19th century rivalry between Footscray and Williamstown where the supporters would stone each other after a game... ahh those were the days.

[Rocco Jones]

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How many Jets/TAC players can you have playing VFL each week?

[Greystache]

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How many Jets/TAC players can you have playing VFL each week?

1, they're the 23rd man in the team, effectively an extra player.

[Nuggety Back Pocket]

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The additional cost to us of having a VFL club is the equivalent of one high paid sports performance manager or trainer (ie teh Weapon's salary) - the bang for buck of controlling our player development is much greater with the stand alone VFL club IMO.

We're going around in circles, but the evidence suggests a stand alone VFL club offers a better opportunity for player development for only a modest increase in football department spend.

It's a decision that seems to make sense in every way we look at it.

Are you forgetting we carry a 4 million dollar debt plus an annual 2 million dollar drip feed from the AFL and a diminishing membership base?

[Bulldog4life]

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Didn't Harbrow for his debut?

Yes if I remember correctly straight from the VFL reserves to the Western Bulldogs. I think it is a great move by the Club. Before long all the Vic Clubs will go down this track. If we don't do it we will be left behind.

[Mantis]

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The additional cost to us of having a VFL club is the equivalent of one high paid sports performance manager or trainer (ie teh Weapon's salary) - the bang for buck of controlling our player development is much greater with the stand alone VFL club IMO.

I have skipped thru aheap of this thread, but I haven't come across the additional costs to the club in the posts I have seen- can you share it with me?

[Rocco Jones]

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1, they're the 23rd man in the team, effectively an extra player.

Yep, I understand that. I meant can we get additional Jets to make up the numbers? I know Willi 2nds had 5 Jets playing in a final because they were struggling for numbers.

Just thinking how do we get to 23 each week in 2014.

We have 46 listed players + Goodes if he stays on in Welfare role + at least 1 Jet every week.

Perhaps a program where we guarantee 1 of our VFL players gets a rookie spot at year's end? Not sure what other stand alone clubs do and how much they pay their top-ups. Anybody have an idea of the financial hits aspiring non-AFL listed players will take to play at highest possible level?

[LostDoggy]

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Not sure about VFL, but the WAFL salary cap is a touch over 200k pa.

[Mofra]

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Are you forgetting we carry a 4 million dollar debt plus an annual 2 million dollar drip feed from the AFL and a diminishing membership base?

Yes I must have, because mentioning a high return for lower cost (ie beneficial targeted spending) is very much anti-economic efficiancy

All clubs carry debt in some degree or another, be it good or bad debt (I assume most people on woof will at least know the difference).

I also assume most people realise that TV rights are the biggest single factor that underwrite every AFL club.
We (amongst some others) receive a dividend as special consideration to allow the AFL to maximise media & stadium revenue without the need for equal distribution of these capabilities.

Our football department spend, whilst miniscule, is still at $14.7m. If the additional $350k figure is correct, we gain full control of player development and reignite a link to our traditional home and offer fans the opportunity to see live football almost every week (short of flying interstate) for an additonal 2.4% spend on our football department.

Yes, 2.4%.

Given the success of teams with stand-alone reserves sides in the VFL and such a small increase in football department spend (which may well be partially off-set by revenue generated on gameday at WO anyway) I can't see this is somehow seen as an economically irresponsible move by the club when a more holistic view of the proposal is taken.

[Maddog37]

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Having read all the different posts I personally am in favour of it. Our core business is producing AFL quality players and this can only help in that regard.

[GVGjr]

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Next season the agreement now is that we can only have a maximum of 12 players in the Williamstown senior side. Williamstown will very much be looking towards developing their own players for 2014.

[ledge]

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Next season the agreement now is that we can only have a maximum of 12 players in the Williamstown senior side. Williamstown will very much be looking towards developing their own players for 2014.

Is that the new VFL rule or a williamstown / dogs rule?

[GVGjr]

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Is that the new VFL rule or a williamstown / dogs rule?

It's what Williamstown wanted and what we agreed to,