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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #136
    Re: Lake gone

    I dont believe Dawes is the answer gents. He will be the main target and take the oppositions best defender. It will be a slaughter, he cant beat the oppositions second best. I say lets start from scratch. But I say this............If GWS or GC win a flag before us, I will be pi$$ed!!!

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    • The Adelaide Connection
      Coaching Staff
      • Jan 2009
      • 2844

      #137
      Re: Lake gone

      There are only two things that make me feel easier about this saga:

      1, We know the state of Brian's body (and I don't wish injury on anyone, let alone a former champion of this club) and we traded him because we know that he is going to struggle.

      2, There was a post by a Woofer a few years ago who was lucky enough to be present with the Bulldogs on draft day.

      I can't remember who the woofer was or when it was, but basically the poster was shocked about how the Bulldogs brains trust already knew (almost exactly) the order players would go in in the early rounds. So maybe we know that we had to get 21 off the Hawks in order to get someone we desperately want.

      Time will tell I guess.

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      • LostDoggy
        WOOF Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 8307

        #138
        Re: Lake gone

        Originally posted by Cyberdoggie
        .

        I'm dissapointed to see him go but in a year or two i'll be much happier when we see Brian retire and the players we got for the trade just starting to kick on with a whole career ahead of them.

        Certainly sad to see him go though.
        I agree, everyone is a winner here. Well we will know in a couple of years.

        I'd be surprised if Lake plays a full season next year.

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        • LostDoggy
          WOOF Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 8307

          #139
          Re: Lake gone

          Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
          If we trade for Dawes, I'll watch our games from home.
          You are allowed to criticize if you do

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          • Doc26
            Coaching Staff
            • Sep 2009
            • 3087

            #140
            Re: Lake gone

            Originally posted by The Adelaide Connection
            There are only two things that make me feel easier about this saga:

            1, We know the state of Brian's body (and I don't wish injury on anyone, let alone a former champion of this club) and we traded him because we know that he is going to struggle.

            2, There was a post by a Woofer a few years ago who was lucky enough to be present with the Bulldogs on draft day.

            I can't remember who the woofer was or when it was, but basically the poster was shocked about how the Bulldogs brains trust already knew (almost exactly) the order players would go in in the early rounds. So maybe we know that we had to get 21 off the Hawks in order to get someone we desperately want.

            Time will tell I guess.
            Good observation. This may well be a telling point that shouldn't be lost. We may well have only gained 6 spots to 21 but the difference is that it is now a first round selection which Clubs are more protective of giving up, and rightly so, than their 2nd round.

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            • Bornadog
              WOOF Clubhouse Leader
              • Jan 2007
              • 67706

              #141
              Re: Lake gone

              Originally posted by Cyberdoggie
              While admirable, you could also argue that is also a big factor in our failure as a club.
              No one idolizes their heroes more than WB supporters, perhaps so much that it is to the deteriment of the team/club in achieving success.
              Turn that around and maybe that's why we have failed because we lose so many good players.

              I don't see the Hawks, the Pies, the Essendons losing their champion players.
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              • 1eyedog
                Hall of Fame
                • Mar 2008
                • 13387

                #142
                Re: Lake gone

                Originally posted by Jeanette54
                I am not old quite enough to remember Herb Henderson, but I rate Brian Lake and John Jillard as the two best defenders I have seen in the club in my time. Small proviso there, I kind of think of Chris Grant and Ted Whitten as forwards.

                What a shame he didn't want to finish his career with us.

                And what a poor deal, all round, if he did.

                Thanks for some great moments Brian.

                ps Honorable mention for my favourite defender: Dale Morris.
                Peter Foster went all right too.

                Don't know what to make of this, there has obviously been some pretty frank discussions behind closed doors. I think I'll wait to see what comes out of tomorrow before I pass judgement.
                But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                • Sedat
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 11605

                  #143
                  Re: Lake gone

                  Originally posted by The Adelaide Connection
                  1, We know the state of Brian's body (and I don't wish injury on anyone, let alone a former champion of this club) and we traded him because we know that he is going to struggle.
                  Playing devil's advocate here, Lake is a better injury risk than either of Dale Morris and Tom Williams down back. The injury thing is a bit of a myth - take 2011 out of the eqution and Lake has been a very durable player for over 10 years at this level.
                  "Look at me mate. Look at me. I'm flyin'"

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                  • 1eyedog
                    Hall of Fame
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 13387

                    #144
                    Re: Lake gone

                    Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                    If we trade for Dawes, I'll watch our games from home.
                    Ditto, he makes Jade Rawlings look like a champion
                    But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                    • mjp
                      Bulldog Team of the Century
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 7480

                      #145
                      Re: Lake gone

                      I understand the 'footy is a business, list management' side of the argument. On that side of it, I always maintain that the "winner" of any trade is the team that ends up with the best player...Hawthorn have the best full-back in the game and we have 'hope'. Advantage Hawks.

                      The argument that says 'Next year he would walk' is fatally flawed. Brian is a complicated person. I don't think anyone could predict what he will be thinking/feeling this time next year. To me, conceding now that he was 'GONE' anyway is sending a message to the rest of the players (not to mention supporters) that 2013 is already in the books as a failure and we are not expecting too many wins...after all, winning players are happy players.

                      The argument that says 'He only has 2 years left' is fatally flawed. A happy Brian could play for another 5 years. He does not rely on athleticism to play - as many here have mentioned, he is a zoning player who doesn't play on anyone anyway. So why exactly will he decline so rapidly??

                      All in all, to me we just have so few 'blue chip' players. Lake is (was!) still one of them. And we seem to have let him go on day one of the trade period without a real fight. I am sad he is gone. I am disappointed we seem to be conceding the 2013 season before it has even began...and I am really, really, really hoping we know what we are doing.
                      What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                      • The Adelaide Connection
                        Coaching Staff
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 2844

                        #146
                        Re: Lake gone

                        Originally posted by Sedat
                        Playing devil's advocate here, Lake is a better injury risk than either of Dale Morris and Tom Williams down back. The injury thing is a bit of a myth - take 2011 out of the eqution and Lake has been a very durable player for over 10 years at this level.
                        Yeah I agree, just clutching at positivity straws. After his operations in 2011 I tend to have a feeling that his form this year, which was very good, was only his "year after" form (similar to when players come back from leg breaks and acl's) and next year will be even better.

                        Gosh I hope pick 21 is the next Chris Grant. No pressure.

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                        • 1eyedog
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 13387

                          #147
                          Re: Lake gone

                          Originally posted by bornadog
                          Turn that around and maybe that's why we have failed because we lose so many good players.

                          I don't see the Hawks, the Pies, the Essendons losing their champion players.
                          Look it's just a reality really isn't it.

                          I'm not going to spend too much time on this but

                          Essendon - Paul Salmon to Hawthorn and Roger Merritt to Brisbane

                          Collingwood - Peter Moore to Melbourne

                          Lastly, imagine Hawthorn supporters dismay when their second/perhaps third best player ever went to Collingwood and then Sydney.

                          You could pull out a heap from each club.
                          But then again, I'm an Internet poster and Bevo is a premiership coach so draw your own conclusions.

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                          • Bornadog
                            WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 67706

                            #148
                            Re: Lake gone

                            Originally posted by 1eyedog
                            Look it's just a reality really isn't it.

                            I'm not going to spend too much time on this but

                            Essendon - Paul Salmon to Hawthorn and Roger Merritt to Brisbane

                            Collingwood - Peter Moore to Melbourne

                            Lastly, imagine Hawthorn supporters dismay when their second/perhaps third best player ever went to Collingwood and then Sydney.

                            You could pull out a heap from each club.
                            Not as many as the Dogs. We lost how many Brownlow medallists, plus gave away three players that went on to get Brownlows. No other club in history has done what we have.
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                            • LongWait
                              WOOF Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 936

                              #149
                              Re: Lake gone

                              Originally posted by mjp
                              I understand the 'footy is a business, list management' side of the argument. On that side of it, I always maintain that the "winner" of any trade is the team that ends up with the best player...Hawthorn have the best full-back in the game and we have 'hope'. Advantage Hawks.

                              The argument that says 'Next year he would walk' is fatally flawed. Brian is a complicated person. I don't think anyone could predict what he will be thinking/feeling this time next year. To me, conceding now that he was 'GONE' anyway is sending a message to the rest of the players (not to mention supporters) that 2013 is already in the books as a failure and we are not expecting too many wins...after all, winning players are happy players.

                              The argument that says 'He only has 2 years left' is fatally flawed. A happy Brian could play for another 5 years. He does not rely on athleticism to play - as many here have mentioned, he is a zoning player who doesn't play on anyone anyway. So why exactly will he decline so rapidly??

                              All in all, to me we just have so few 'blue chip' players. Lake is (was!) still one of them. And we seem to have let him go on day one of the trade period without a real fight. I am sad he is gone. I am disappointed we seem to be conceding the 2013 season before it has even began...and I am really, really, really hoping we know what we are doing.
                              There are a lot of unknowns in the mystery that is Brian Lake.

                              With respect, I think we could say that you can't know for sure any of the points that you claim make fatal flaws in the various arguments to proceed with the Lake trade. There are a lot of unprovable suppositions in both sets of arguments.

                              We have to accept that it's been done, like it or not, and we have to move on and hope that the player we secure with pick 21 will be a champion for a long time after Lake has retired.

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                              • Bornadog
                                WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 67706

                                #150
                                Re: Lake gone

                                Not happy if this is true:

                                Lake, who had one year of his contract remaining, will be paid out by the Western Bulldogs because he was going to be a free agent next year anyway.

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