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  • LostDoggy
    WOOF Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 8307

    #46
    Re: McCartney: We need patience

    Originally posted by Mantis
    That is one ridiculous statement.

    I would think our fans have been remarkably durable considering we haven't played in a GF in over 50 years.
    How many short-sighted, ill-conceived decisions have been made over those 50 years to appease the fans? How many of those decisions cost us success down the road?

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    • jeemak
      Bulldog Legend
      • Oct 2010
      • 21427

      #47
      Re: McCartney: We need patience

      Originally posted by Topdog
      Well Ive never asked for my money back and I would hope that when people are going to quote me they would be honest enough to quote everything and do so in context.

      We are going through what is a really really tough time on this football club. Membership numbers continuing to decrease and we desperately need to show something towards the end of this season.

      We on this site may all be diehard fans that will buy a membership for no other reason than to support the club but our kind make up less than 10% of our supporter base. The patience message IS true but it wont be enough for many many people out there and those comments did harm the club and with Joe Public we are still hurting because of them.
      Sorry if it seemed I was directing my comments toward you. From my experience in reading your posts I've never pinned you as anything but extremely dedicated to the Bulldogs, and reasonable.

      I didn't think the comments were initially as damaging as others did at the time, and I also don't think they have much of an impact now. Probably a tough one to measure, I suppose.

      Personally I just think our supporter base is tired after coming so close, and needs to see some hope. For many the disappointment started in 2010 after winning the NAB Cup and struggling through the season.
      TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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      • BornInDroopSt'54
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2009
        • 5081

        #48
        Re: McCartney: We need patience

        So we need a few quality players and really a star may also be needed. We are most likely to get these players in the next draft as it's supposedly a very good one and we're likely to finish low and get a couple of good picks. Our key position line of say Roughead, Williams, Boyd, Jones and Stringer should be good for a few years and be the spine around which we develop a quality side. Midfield looks the goods if we can get a fast outsider with a good kick and brain. We need an Eddy Betts and a Lewis Jetta most of all and of course for all of our youngsters to develop. The good news is that we are teaching a squad together with so many developing players, so that a really strong team ethic can develop. Lets see how Fate rolls our dice but I can see reason to hope for the ultimate.
        Footscray Football Republic.

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        • Mofra
          Hall of Fame
          • Dec 2006
          • 14800

          #49
          Re: McCartney: We need patience

          Originally posted by BornAScragger
          How many short-sighted, ill-conceived decisions have been made over those 50 years to appease the fans? How many of those decisions cost us success down the road?
          I'd expect most of the "appeasing the fans" decisions relate to onfield performance which is what the fans want most - success.
          Western Bulldogs: 2016 Premiers

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          • AndrewP6
            Bulldog Team of the Century
            • Jan 2009
            • 8142

            #50
            Re: McCartney: We need patience

            Originally posted by BornAScragger
            This is the reason we may never win another premiership. Our fans aren't willing to pay the price.
            Excuse me? That is the most absurd thing I've read here in a while.
            [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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            • Mantis
              Hall of Fame
              • Apr 2007
              • 15201

              #51
              Re: McCartney: We need patience

              Originally posted by BornAScragger
              How many short-sighted, ill-conceived decisions have been made over those 50 years to appease the fans? How many of those decisions cost us success down the road?
              You tell me.

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              • The Bulldogs Bite
                Hall of Fame
                • Dec 2006
                • 11048

                #52
                Re: McCartney: We need patience

                Originally posted by Ghost Dog
                The longer the courtship, the sweeter the honeymoon
                Made me laugh.

                GD, I think if/when we win a premiership, many of us will still have a hangover 24 months later
                W00F!

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                • Bornadog
                  WOOF Clubhouse Leader
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 65610

                  #53
                  Re: McCartney: We need patience

                  Originally posted by The Bulldogs Bite
                  Made me laugh.

                  GD, I think if/when we win a premiership, many of us will still have a hangover 24 months later
                  Can we at least get to a Grand Final. I want to experience grand final week If we win the premiership I think my hangover will be longer than that
                  FFC: Established 1883

                  Premierships: AFL 1954, 2016 VFA - 1898,99,1900, 1908, 1913, 1919-20, 1923-24, VFL: 2014, 2016 . Champions of Victoria 1924. AFLW - 2018.

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                  • mjp
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 7244

                    #54
                    Re: McCartney: We need patience

                    Originally posted by Bulldog Joe
                    MJP
                    The players listed by Griffen and TBB are the names I have in mind, but what I believe we are seeing is improved depth as well. The focus on bigger bodies from the recruiting side makes sense.

                    The test of our ability to really challenge will be how that potential is nurtured.

                    I understand that every supporter of every team thinks their youngsters are the stars of the future, but you need depth to support the stars.
                    Ok. I don't really know what you mean by 'depth' though. Right now, we might appear to have depth but I would suggest what we really have is a large group of players who are either unproven or yet to establish themselves. Depth to me is having a suitable backup in place for a position...you could argue at the moment we have nothing BUT depth as our best 22 is not really distinguishable from our 'next best'. I suppose this is part and parcel of rebuilding, but if any of Minson, Griff, Boyd or Murphy either go down injured or drop away quickly then we will quickly find out how much depth we really have.
                    What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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                    • LostDoggy
                      WOOF Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 8307

                      #55
                      Re: McCartney: We need patience

                      Originally posted by AndrewP6
                      Excuse me? That is the most absurd thing I've read here in a while.
                      What I mean is, we have fans baying for blood before he's even had a chance to do anything. How can we get anywhere if the coach is never allowed to finish the job?

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                      • AndrewP6
                        Bulldog Team of the Century
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 8142

                        #56
                        Re: McCartney: We need patience

                        Originally posted by BornAScragger
                        What I mean is, we have fans baying for blood before he's even had a chance to do anything. How can we get anywhere if the coach is never allowed to finish the job?
                        He was appointed in September 2011. He's not the new coach anymore.
                        [B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Our club was born in blood and boots, not in AFL focus groups.[/COLOR][/B]

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                        • jeemak
                          Bulldog Legend
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 21427

                          #57
                          Re: McCartney: We need patience

                          Originally posted by BornAScragger
                          What I mean is, we have fans baying for blood before he's even had a chance to do anything. How can we get anywhere if the coach is never allowed to finish the job?
                          I think we've over the years had supporters that have wanted us to go for a quick fix, and those that have become impatient early on in a rebuild (or refresh!). All clubs have though, and it's going to be a really tough and resilient effort from our supporter base to stay true during a very trying period since the effort we put in close to contending recently.

                          I don't think I'm more passionate than most supporters, perhaps I'm more reasonable after only having 33 years of disappointment under my belt, though I'm really not expecting a lot this year other than some glimpses of a game plan forming and improvement from our younger players, as well as consolidation from those new to the club on a second chance.

                          Next year's the big one for me, as all involved will have had enough time to do what's required of them to put the planning and hard work together and forge some results.
                          TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                          • Greystache
                            Bulldog Team of the Century
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 9775

                            #58
                            Re: McCartney: We need patience

                            Originally posted by jeemak
                            I think we've over the years had supporters that have wanted us to go for a quick fix, and those that have become impatient early on in a rebuild (or refresh!). All clubs have though, and it's going to be a really tough and resilient effort from our supporter base to stay true during a very trying period since the effort we put in close to contending recently.
                            The issue becomes when the club bows to the demands of the ignorant and short sighted supporters and takes those quick fix solutions. It could be easily argued one of the reasons Richmond had been a rabble for 30 years is they continually bow to the demands of impatient fans. We've been guilty of it in the past and I hope this time around we're strong enough to stick to the plan.
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                            • jeemak
                              Bulldog Legend
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 21427

                              #59
                              Re: McCartney: We need patience

                              Couldn't agree more. Richmond's supporters are known for their almost ritualistic membership burnings, and it hasn't helped their club one bit over a prolonged period of time where it's been managed poorly.
                              TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                              • Bulldog Joe
                                Premiership Moderator
                                • Jul 2009
                                • 5440

                                #60
                                Re: McCartney: We need patience

                                Originally posted by mjp
                                Ok. I don't really know what you mean by 'depth' though. Right now, we might appear to have depth but I would suggest what we really have is a large group of players who are either unproven or yet to establish themselves. Depth to me is having a suitable backup in place for a position...you could argue at the moment we have nothing BUT depth as our best 22 is not really distinguishable from our 'next best'. I suppose this is part and parcel of rebuilding, but if any of Minson, Griff, Boyd or Murphy either go down injured or drop away quickly then we will quickly find out how much depth we really have.
                                I agree with your point of largely unproven or yet to establish, but we certainly have added players over the past 2 years that give more options through the midfield.

                                The players we brought to the club for 2012 mostly showed at least somepromise. We have added further with Stringer, McCrae and Hrovat all getting good reports on their involvement to date. Add Stevens, Young and Lower as all players that can at least compete at seniot level. Brett Goodes has also looked effective.

                                While these players need to prove themselves, I certainly feel that we are better placed to cover injuries and there seems more competition for spots.

                                We do need to see how this evolves, but I am feeling more optimistic than I was late last year.
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