Club-by-Club draft. How did we go?

[Hotdog60]

Re: Club-by-Club draft. How did we go?

They got good players though. I wonder if there is a bit of showmanship with their antics.

Most likely when Adrian Dodoro is involved everything seems to take longer.

[Twodogs]

Re: Club-by-Club draft. How did we go?

They got good players though. I wonder if there is a bit of showmanship with their antics.

Got it in one. It's been ages since the recruiting department at Essendon got to relay any sense of drama. This was their big chance.

[Bulldog4life]

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Got it in one. It's been ages since the recruiting department at Essendon got to relay any sense of drama. This was their big chance.

The last 4 years have been such a joy watching the Bummers saga unfold. Seeing them down the bottom of the ladder has been wonderful. Please please let it continue.

[Twodogs]

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The last 4 years have been such a joy watching the Bummers saga unfold. Seeing them down the bottom of the ladder has been wonderful. Please please let it continue.

Amen to that bruvver.

[GVGjr]

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Buckenara's assessment was that most clubs got it right.
Collingwood, North, Hawthorn and Melbourne didn't get flattering assessments.
I was surprised that he mentioned Richmond were on the right path by investing in the draft given they had just 3 picks starting at #29. I was also surprised by his rating on the Saints by giving them a pass.

To me Melbourne are clearly trying to slipstream off us given the two players they selected had links to us.

[bulldogtragic]

Re: Club-by-Club draft. How did we go?

Buckenara's assessment was that most clubs got it right.
Collingwood, North, Hawthorn and Melbourne didn't get flattering assessments.
I was surprised that he mentioned Richmond were on the right path by investing in the draft given they had just 3 picks starting at #29. I was also surprised by his rating on the Saints by giving them a pass.

To me Melbourne are clearly trying to slipstream off us given the two players they selected had links to us.

It's very flattering by Melbourne. But copying what we did the year previous means they'll always still be chasing us.

As for St Kilda, I'm not sure how they get a pass as it is right now. Long is a big, big reach at pick 25 after being overlooked last year and if his prelim game was a blip (everyone played well in a 119 point win), then it's a big, big fail. Right now I'm not sure how it's a pass.

[GVGjr]

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It's very flattering by Melbourne. But copying what we did the year previous means they'll always still be chasing us.

As for St Kilda, I'm not sure how they get a pass as it is right now. Long is a big, big reach at pick 25 after being overlooked last year and if his prelim game was a blip (everyone played well in a 119 point win), then it's a big, big fail. Right now I'm not sure how it's a pass.

Agreed, I don't mind the 3 players they selected but they will have to bank Josh Battle behind their key forwards and they paid a premium for Ben Long. Overall if you include the trade period they've done OK but Bucky was assessing the draft and it's a touch below what they should have been aiming for.

[always right]

Re: Club-by-Club draft. How did we go?

Once we got past our first two picks, we were always going to be more speculative. I don't think we had any choice other than to discount current performance in favour of searching for attributes that my develop into something special. Both Young and Greene seem to fit the bill.

What a strange experience this draft was having just won the premiership. Full trust in our decisions....no stress.

[ratsmac]

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One fail for the Bulldogs was the ugly grey polo's our crew were wearing!

I'm happy with how we drafted. English will be a fine player and has no pressure to develop. Reminds me of Wynd with his blonde hair and willingness to get the ball off the deck. Although send him to live with Libba snr's mum to feed him plenty pasta and meat!

I like the look of Lipinski too. He kicks goals and will be a good replacement for Dickson in time. And he is a Bulldog supporter the lucky bastard!

Young has plenty of raw talent to work with and isn't even 18 yet.

Green by all reports is very green.... but has elite stamina. Worth a punt at pick 70 odd.

[hujsh]

Re: Club-by-Club draft. How did we go?

It's very flattering by Melbourne. But copying what we did the year previous means they'll always still be chasing us.

As for St Kilda, I'm not sure how they get a pass as it is right now. Long is a big, big reach at pick 25 after being overlooked last year and if his prelim game was a blip (everyone played well in a 119 point win), then it's a big, big fail. Right now I'm not sure how it's a pass.

May they be our version of the teams who unsuccessfully tried to copy Sydney after 2005 by playing an ultra defensive flood

[Cyberdoggie]

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One fail for the Bulldogs was the ugly grey polo's our crew were wearing!

I'm happy with how we drafted. English will be a fine player and has no pressure to develop. Reminds me of Wynd with his blonde hair and willingness to get the ball off the deck. Although send him to live with Libba snr's mum to feed him plenty pasta and meat!

I like the look of Lipinski too. He kicks goals and will be a good replacement for Dickson in time. And he is a Bulldog supporter the lucky bastard!

Young has plenty of raw talent to work with and isn't even 18 yet.

Green by all reports is very green.... but has elite stamina. Worth a punt at pick 70 odd.

Yeah Grey is awful, don't think they will sell many of those.


On English, I can see the Wynd similarities, was also thinking of gentleman John Schultz. We have had a couple of good blonde headed ruckman before so best of luck to English, certainly speaks very well too.

On rating each teams draft, Nightmare gave us a C+, only Melbourne was worse with a D+ and the saints with a C.
Not sure how we could be worse than the Hawks given they only had 2x late round picks and we got English, but hey, it's his rating system.

I think given SD has had such a good record at spotting talent, in particular late bloomers or players that have shown late improvement (which is what he has apparently done again in his words) then hopefully we will be praising him once more in a few years time.

[choconmientay]

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On rating each teams draft, Nightmare gave us a C+, only Melbourne was worse with a D+ and the saints with a C.
Not sure how we could be worse than the Hawks given they only had 2x late round picks and we got English, but hey, it's his rating system.

Thanks Cyberdoggie.

I thought, a link to his review would be useful. Link to Knightmare AFL Analysis

Western Bulldogs
Selections: Timothy English (19), Patrick Lipinski (28), Lewis Young (49), Fergus Greene (70) Draft overview: Drafted according to list needs, securing a variety of types to compliment the club's group. English was taken at the bottom end of his projected draft range but the other three selections were taken arguably earlier than expected.
Player by player analysis:
Pick 19 Timothy English: Top-age, late-blooming ruckman with promising disposal numbers and the cleanest skills you'll see in a ruckman of 205cm. Light build, lack of power and relatively low hit out per game numbers are why he didn't go earlier.
Pick 28 Patrick Lipinski: Athletic medium forward and midfielder who is a strong mark overhead. Taken earlier than expected but has the attributes to suggest he may be a developable player.
Pick 49 Lewis Young: Raw, athletic, 197cm key position player with the scope to play at either end. Has some attributes and is a strong aerial mark but will need time to develop.
Pick 70 Fergus Greene: A surprise selection as a 190cm top-age forward who played just the five TAC Cup games for Bendigo Pioneers as a forward. Greene is a promising endurance athlete who registering a 15.6 beep test score but his numbers were only mild this season with his final game of 14 disposals, five marks and three goals season highs in each category.
Verdict: C+

[choconmientay]

Re: Club-by-Club draft. How did we go?

Buckenara's assessment was that most clubs got it right.
Collingwood, North, Hawthorn and Melbourne didn't get flattering assessments.
I was surprised that he mentioned Richmond were on the right path by investing in the draft given they had just 3 picks starting at #29. I was also surprised by his rating on the Saints by giving them a pass.

To me Melbourne are clearly trying to slipstream off us given the two players they selected had links to us.

There was a chat with Buckenara session today and the question about the Saints came up ...
QUESTION FROM LUKE: The Saints seem to have pulled a couple of gems in Long & Battle from deep in the second round. Agree?

With all those players it is a question mark, time will tell whether they're gems or not. Obviously they're happy to bring those guys in but many key position talented players can sometimes struggle at the next level against bigger bodies. Only time will tell how good their haul was. As I said in my analysis yesterday, many had Battle much higher than he went, but I didn't for that exact reason. I thought Long was a surprise at 25.


He also says this about English ...

QUESTION FROM BLAKE:*!Who do you believe will be the best forward that came out of the draft? Also will it be a couple of years for Tim English to cement he's spot at the doggies?

The best forward ... that's a tough question. It won't be one of the tall forwards, I think it'll be one of the smaller players like Shai Bolton because if the penny drops he could become a really exciting prospect.

As for English, definitely body-wise he needs to put on size. He's actually quite a smart footballer, his ruck work is very good so all he needs is the body and the understanding of being in a full-time AFL environment. So yes, it will be a couple of years both off the ground in the gym and adjustment to AFL level.

[LostDoggy]

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The strangest selections for mine were GWS taking M'zungu and De Boer from Freo. Did they really need two depth midfielders who were fringe players at Freo? Given some of the young quality they have parted with, really odd list additions.

[Twodogs]

Re: Club-by-Club draft. How did we go?

The strangest selections for mine were GWS taking M'zungu and De Boer from Freo. Did they really need two depth midfielders who were fringe players at Freo? Given some of the young quality they have parted with, really odd list additions.

I have said it before but GWS need players who have struggled to make it onto a list. They have plenty of show ponies who were found wanting against us in the prelim because they have never had to reach deep inside themselves. When it came to it in the last five minutes of that game our blokes put their head over the ball and theirs looked the other way. You need blokes who really want it not blokes who have had everything handed to them.