Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

[comrade]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Martin is only 198cm and ultra mobile.
Kreuzer spends plenty of time forward and isn't what I would class a traditional tap ruckman.
We were reportedly after Lobbe after a career best year and he's the only one of the 3 I would consider a tap ruckman. His career trajectory only proves the point that his type are becoming obsolete.

None of those players contradict my post.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Hawks also had Pittonet out there who's seen AFL action before. Good job by Timmy.

I'm trying to remember when was the last time we drafted a project player and there were such high expectations on him so early in his career?

English performed OK against Fitzpatrick but clearly struggled against Pitonnet who is a year older and 15kg heavier and has played just 3 senior games for the Hawks.

Thanks guys. He is a pretty big unit. Fair to say a lot would get pushed around by that guy.

[Remi Moses]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Martin, Lobbe and had a decent interest in Kruezer

The point being everyone says Bevo has this magical potion for the ruck and yet he hasn't really reinvented the position......yet and had we landed Lobbe or Martin I dare say we would think Bevo had a more traditional stance on the position.

Do you honestly believe all those stories ?

[comrade]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Do you honestly believe all those stories ?

Even if they are true, only one can be considered a genuine tap ruckman like the old school dinosaurs.

[GVGjr]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Martin is only 198cm and ultra mobile.
Kreuzer spends plenty of time forward and isn't what I would class a traditional tap ruckman.
We were reportedly after Lobbe after a career best year and he's the only one of the 3 I would consider a tap ruckman. His career trajectory only proves the point that his type are becoming obsolete.

None of those players contradict my post.

Kreuzer has been rucking the vast majority of game time this year. After years of struggling to find a true position at Melbourne Martin found a home as a tap ruckman at the Lions and relishes the workload of being the number one ruckman. Lobbe is a solid ruckman when fit but would have to play 2nd fiddle to Ryder now anyway.
Martin is averaging about 5 marks per game this year but but close to 40 hit outs and 20 disposals. I think that qualifies him as a tap ruckman although I agree he is very effective around the ground as well. He is a non factor though when used up forward.
In just 3 games this year Kreuzer is averaging 30 hit outs, 3 marks and 13 disposals.

So what is the plan Bevo has for our rucks that sort of reinvents the position?

[comrade]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Kreuzer has been rucking the vast majority of game time this year. After years of struggling to find a true position at Melbourne Martin found a home as a tap ruckman at the Lions and relishes the workload of being the number one ruckman. Lobbe is a solid ruckman when fit but would have to play 2nd fiddle to Ryder now anyway.
Martin is averaging about 5 marks per game this year but but close to 40 hit outs and 20 disposals. I think that qualifies him as a tap ruckman although I agree he is very effective around the ground as well. He is a non factor though when used up forward.
In just 3 games this year Kreuzer is averaging 30 hit outs, 3 marks and 13 disposals.

So what is the plan Bevo has for our rucks that sort of reinvents the position?

The one that won a flag seemed to work ok.

[GVGjr]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

The one that won a flag seemed to work ok.

I like it when you play the premiership card
So why were we also looking at players who can only really play the number one ruckman role?

Roughy really isn't a reinvent of the position but you knew that

[comrade]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

I like it when you play the premiership card
So why were we also looking at players who can only really play the number one ruckman role?

Roughy really isn't a reinvent of the position but you knew that

Who's reinventing the ruck role though?

I just think it's clear Bevo likes his main big man to be able to run around, take marks, be effective in a zone and use the ball well. If they can tap, even better. If they can nullify the opposition, like Roughy does, that's ok too.

I'm assuming we chased Martin because he is a gun and is the exact type of ruck that Bevo likes.

Kreuzer I'm not convinced we were keen as if we were we probably could have had him, and Lobbe, well again, I'm not convinced we were as keen as you think we were.

Why did we pick up English? He wasn't the best tap ruckman of his year, IMO. But the overall package is more important.

[chef]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Seems like Bevo rates Roughie and Boyd as his starting combo. With Cambo as back up and English developing. We cant really plan for injuries and its just bad luck.

[comrade]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Seems like Bevo rates Roughie and Boyd as his starting combo. With Cambo as back up and English developing. We cant really plan for injuries and its just bad luck.

If winning hit outs was Bevo's priority, Minson would have played every game the past 2 years.

[Throughandthrough]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Lobbe was only just average in the Sanfl last weekend.

[GVGjr]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Lobbe was only just average in the Sanfl last weekend.

The game has passed him by perhaps hastened by his injuries. We dodged a bullet given he preferred to stay than come to us.

[ledge]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

Tim English will be a great tap ruck as well but at the moment he hasn't the build to compete with big bodied rucks at AFL Level , but after another pre season he will be well on his way,
The 3rd man up rule has hurt us as we did use Bont and a few others but now we can't so it's back to needing a genuine tap ruckman.

[comrade]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

The other point that hasn't been made is the 3rd man up rule was implemented AFTER the trade/draft period. So, we went into that period thinking our current ruck stocks + utilizing 3rd man up would be enough to nullify any glaring ruck weakness.

GVG has asked what Bevo has done to revolutionise the ruck role? Well, we used 3rd man up better than anyone. So well in fact that the AFL banned it.

[G-Mo77]

Re: Round 1 2017, Footscray Bulldogs v Box Hill Hawks.

I wonder that myself comrade? Would the teams have known of a rule change like this was coming or just kept them in the dark?