2021 Draft Strategy

[Mofra]

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Would Charlie Constable fit that bill? Granted he'd be looking for AFL minutes but an opportunity is an opportunity.

No thanks. We have plenty of players I'd put in the centre square before him (including Garcia & West) and at VFL level he doesn't seem to be able to play anywhere else.
Geelong fans seem to think his tank is 'passable' but not great.

I'd rather a hail mary on a small forward kid from outback WA given West Coast seem to find 1-2 every draft that nobody's ever heard of.

[azabob]

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No thanks. We have plenty of players I'd put in the centre square before him (including Garcia & West) and at VFL level he doesn't seem to be able to play anywhere else.
Geelong fans seem to think his tank is 'passable' but not great.

I'd rather a hail mary on a small forward kid from outback WA given West Coast seem to find 1-2 every draft that nobody's ever heard of.

I don't disagree, but my post was answer a specific question asked by Bulldogs Bite in wanting a big body mid in the VFL.

[Mofra]

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I don't disagree, but my post was answer a specific question asked by Bulldogs Bite in wanting a big body mid in the VFL.

Ok, I read 'Charlie Constable' as him specifically.

I see Bailey Smith transitioning into getting more CBA minutes in the next few years so if we want someone in the guts I think we can just draft and develop someone rather than pinching a DFA. I suspect Libba will be getting managed a little more from this year onwards with Dunkley the ideal replacement.

[The Bulldogs Bite]

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Would Charlie Constable fit that bill? Granted he'd be looking for AFL minutes but an opportunity is an opportunity.

I haven't really seen him play so I'm not too sure AB.

I would think there's a few state league players around that would fit the PD though.

[GVGjr]

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Ok, I read 'Charlie Constable' as him specifically.

I see Bailey Smith transitioning into getting more CBA minutes in the next few years so if we want someone in the guts I think we can just draft and develop someone rather than pinching a DFA. I suspect Libba will be getting managed a little more from this year onwards with Dunkley the ideal replacement.

We ran into some injury challenges late in the year and there were a number of comments about our midfielders looking exhausted before coming good in the finals.
We have also lost a bit of depth with Jong and Lipinkski moving on and maybe now there is a slight question on Liberatore's durability.
I'd be lukewarm on Constable but I'd like us to add at least one 'in the guts' type midfielder even if it's just for depth.

[Mofra]

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We ran into some injury challenges late in the year and there were a number of comments about our midfielders looking exhausted before coming good in the finals.
We have also lost a bit of depth with Jong and Lipinkski moving on and maybe now there is a slight question on Liberatore's durability.
I'd be lukewarm on Constable but I'd like us to add at least one 'in the guts' type midfielder even if it's just for depth.

Rhylee West is a similar size to Tom Liberatore (1 kg difference). I really think West & Garcia could take some CBA rotations next year if selected to help share the load.

We also lost Dunks and Treloar for a fair chunk of last year so other guys did carry a heavier load during the middle part of the season.

I'm not averse to having extra mids on the list who can win their own ball. Given our list profile we're in the position of being able to draft & develop a kid rather than needing to find immediate cover, so I'd probably lean that way.

[GVGjr]

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If we assume we are right in the premiership window and knowing that after the Darcy selection we are picking late in the draft order, should we been looking for one or two more mature types to assist with depth or still with the best youngster approach?

[Bornadog]

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If we assume we are right in the premiership window and knowing that after the Darcy selection we are picking late in the draft order, should we been looking for one or two more mature types to assist with depth or still with the best youngster approach?

If we were to look at mature type, then ruck is the one area we are short on, otherwise, I would prefer another youngster to develop.

[The Doctor]

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it looks like the bid on Darcy will come at pick 2 according to Twomey. He thinks a trade with Geelong for our pick 23 will get us picks 32 & 34. These 2 picks along with our other picks 43, 44 & 45 total 2213 points. At pick 2 we will need to offer up 2014 points leaving us a surplus of 199 points. That will push our pick 45 back to 56 according to my calculations. So we end up with

Pick 2 - Darcy
pick 52
pick 56

picks 52 & pick 56 will move up a few places on account of higher picks being used in the bids for Darcy and Daicos.

[GVGjr]

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it looks like the bid on Darcy will come at pick 2 according to Twomey. He thinks a trade with Geelong for our pick 23 will get us picks 32 & 34. These 2 picks along with our other picks 43, 44 & 45 total 2213 points. At pick 2 we will need to offer up 2014 points leaving us a surplus of 199 points. That will push our pick 45 back to 56 according to my calculations. So we end up with

Pick 2 - Darcy
pick 52
pick 56

picks 52 & pick 56 will move up a few places on account of higher picks being used in the bids for Darcy and Daicos.

Thanks Doc, any names you think we should consider with a couple of picks around the 50's?

[Axe Man]

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I can't find the online article but in the Age today they linked us to:
Charlie Dean (Williamstown)
Blake Schlensog (ex-cat)
Ollie Hanrahan (ex-hawk)
Jack Lonie (ex-saint)
Hugh Jackson (SA)
Kai Lohmann (Vic)

[Mofra]

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We were interested in Jack Lonie last year. I imagine we can sign him as a DFA, as with Ollie Hanrahan.

We've interviewed Stagg (SA) and Paul Curtis (Jets) as reported elsewhere.

Seems like a small forward is a target with one of our late picks.

[The Doctor]

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I can't find the online article but in the Age today they linked us to:
Charlie Dean (Williamstown)
Blake Schlensog (ex-cat)
Ollie Hanrahan (ex-hawk)
Jack Lonie (ex-saint)
Hugh Jackson (SA)
Kai Lohmann (Vic)

Must be this one. It seems like guesswork more than anything solid.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/how-your-club-stands-ahead-of-the-2021-draft-20211118-p59a1f.html

WESTERN BULLDOGS
PICKS: 23, 43, 44, 45, 52

KEY DEFENDERS: Alex Keath, Zaine Cordy, Tim O’Brien, Ryan Gardner, Buku Khamis.

SMALL/MEDIUM DEFENDERS: Caleb Daniel, Jason Johannisen, Hayden Crozier, Bailey Williams, Ed Richards, Taylor Duryea, Louis Butler.

MIDFIELDERS: Marcus Bontempelli, Adam Treloar, Jack Macrae, Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Bailey Smith, Josh Dunkley, Laitham Vandermeer, Rhylee West, Riley Garcia.

KEY FORWARDS: Aaron Naughton, Josh Bruce, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, Josh Schache.

SMALL/MEDIUM FORWARDS: Mitch Wallis, Toby McLean, Mitch Hannan, Bailey Dale, Cody Weightman, Dominic Bedendo, Lachlan McNeil.

RUCKS: Tim English, Stefan Martin, Jordon Sweet.

Sam Darcy will be the second consecutive top-three pick the Bulldogs will draft despite finishing runner-up this season, having led the dominant Demons midway through the third quarter of the grand final. The son of highly regarded former ruckman and club board member Luke Darcy is an agile tall with exceptional skills. He is clean below his knees and can play at either end of the ground, with the Bulldogs a chance to blood him as a defender once he joins them, with last year’s No.1 draft pick Jamarra Ugle-Hagan shaping as a forward. The Giants are most likely to bid on the 18-year-old at pick two but are yet to form a view on whether they will make that call given the Bulldogs are certain to match the bid on a player who will need time to get going as he recovers from a foot issue. Clubs such as Geelong and Sydney will be keen on their pick 23 as soon as the draft begins, with the Bulldogs likely to realise that pick’s value by trading it out. The Bulldogs will then have at least two and possibly three picks late in the draft and will need to keep an open mind on whether they use them to add a mature-aged player or one emerging from the under-18s. It’s impossible to know where they will lean or who will be available but mature-aged players such as Charlie Dean, who played with Williamstown, ex-Cat Blake Schlensog or delisted small forwards such as Ollie Hanrahan or Jack Lonie could be attractive while a nugget might slip through to the back end with players such as South Australia’s Hugh Jackson or Victorian Kai Lohmann.

[Axe Man]

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That's it, thanks.

In the later stages of the draft it is definitely guesswork. The club themselves couldn't tell us who we will draft because they don't know who will still be available.

[The Doctor]

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Thanks Doc, any names you think we should consider with a couple of picks around the 50's?

not necessarily names but player types. I've posted recently that a couple of genuine small forwards with good ground level skills and a bit of zip would be a welcome addition to our list. I think that is the most glaring hole on our list.

It will be interesting to see how the club assesses Sam Darcy. That could influence whether or not we pick a key defender or a ruckman. Knowing us we probably pick neither!

I like how we give one of our Footscray boys a go on the rookie list at least. I've long been an advocate for JGM.