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  • josie
    Coaching Staff
    • Oct 2012
    • 4655

    #1651
    Re: 2024 List Management Thread

    Originally posted by comrade
    Clubs need one front line ruck, one young developing ruck and one mature back up ruck. We barely have a front line ruck, we?ve got a developing ruck (who will never make it because he?s too small) and then nothing (Lobb and Darcy are needed elsewhere). We need a break glass option.
    I watch a fair bit of our VFL side’s matches. Although Smith tries his guts out I too think he is too small. I think it was a poor draft selection. Hope I’m proved wrong.
    Josie :)

    Our day will come
    And we'll have everything.
    We'll share the joy
    Just like '54 again.

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    • bulldogfan
      Rookie List
      • Jan 2023
      • 86

      #1652
      Re: 2024 List Management Thread

      He is 202cm he is fine and is developing fine

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      • mjp
        Bulldog Team of the Century
        • Jan 2007
        • 7472

        #1653
        Re: 2024 List Management Thread

        Originally posted by josie
        I watch a fair bit of our VFL side’s matches. Although Smith tries his guts out I too think he is too small. I think it was a poor draft selection. Hope I’m proved wrong.
        There aren't any 19yo's playing ruck in the WAFL. The draftees really are up against it in the VFL.

        It's a tough position for young players...whether it was a good selection or a bad one we wont know for a while but we 100% needed to draft a developing ruckman last year...if it wasn't Smith it needed to be 'someone else' (to quote Homer Simpson!).
        What should I tell her? She's going to ask.

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        • GVGjr
          Moderator
          • Nov 2006
          • 45508

          #1654
          Re: 2024 List Management Thread

          Originally posted by josie
          I watch a fair bit of our VFL side’s matches. Although Smith tries his guts out I too think he is too small. I think it was a poor draft selection. Hope I’m proved wrong.
          His height won't be much of an issue when he develops some more strength and endurance. He is tiring in games and loses some spring and once that improves he's got a lot of upside. Like a lot of younger ruckman he's going to need around 3 seasons to really see how he is developing. I don't think he will be an elite ruckman but he could be a quite serviceable one.
          Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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          • comrade
            Hall of Fame
            • Jun 2008
            • 18103

            #1655
            Re: 2024 List Management Thread

            If he?s 203cm, I?m 190cm (I?m definitely not).
            Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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            • josie
              Coaching Staff
              • Oct 2012
              • 4655

              #1656
              Re: 2024 List Management Thread

              Originally posted by comrade
              If he?s 203cm, I?m 190cm (I?m definitely not).
              Agree. I think he is a fair but shorter than 203cm. I cannot recall an oppo VFL 1st ruck that was shorter than him. I reckon Gardner is taller than him and Ryan is listed as 197cm.
              Josie :)

              Our day will come
              And we'll have everything.
              We'll share the joy
              Just like '54 again.

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              • comrade
                Hall of Fame
                • Jun 2008
                • 18103

                #1657
                Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                Originally posted by josie
                Agree. I think he is a fair but shorter than 203cm. I cannot recall an oppo VFL 1st ruck that was shorter than him. I reckon Gardner is taller than him and Ryan is listed as 197cm.
                He would struggle to hit 200cm and lacks the athleticism to make up for his height. His only chance is to become a Ben Hudson style crash and bash follow up ruck that just terrorises the oppo. I would love that, those types of rucks are my favourite but not sure Bevo agrees.
                Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                • hujsh
                  Hall of Fame
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 11960

                  #1658
                  Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                  You all think he's short just because he has a giraffe neck. I'll hear no opposition on this.

                  [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                  • jazzadogs
                    Bulldog Team of the Century
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 5837

                    #1659
                    Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                    Originally posted by hujsh
                    You all think he's short just because he has a giraffe neck. I'll hear no opposition on this.

                    This also sort of supports the theory that he's not 'ruck tall' because having a long neck doesn't really help you outreach your opponent.

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                    • jeemak
                      Bulldog Legend
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 22146

                      #1660
                      Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                      I wonder why they lie about his height in both his pre-draft and Western Bulldogs profiles. Seems odd.
                      TF is this?.........Obviously you're not a golfer.

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                      • comrade
                        Hall of Fame
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 18103

                        #1661
                        Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                        Originally posted by jeemak
                        I wonder why they lie about his height in both his pre-draft and Western Bulldogs profiles. Seems odd.
                        Who knows, but watching 10 seconds of him playing against other rucks will tell you he?s not as big as them.
                        Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                        • comrade
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 18103

                          #1662
                          Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                          Originally posted by jazzadogs
                          This also sort of supports the theory that he's not 'ruck tall' because having a long neck doesn't really help you outreach your opponent.
                          Yeah, the long neck might help push him up around 200cm but it does nothing for his rucking haha.
                          Our 1954 premiership players are our heroes, and it has to be said that Charlie was their hero.

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                          • GVGjr
                            Moderator
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 45508

                            #1663
                            Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                            Mature aged players for consideration:

                            Foxfooty.com.au takes a look at this year’s best state league prospects who could find their way into the AFL system as mature-age recruits.

                            SAM DAVIDSON

                            Richmond VFL star Sam Davidson was this year’s recipient of the Fothergill-Round-Mitchell medal as the league’s most promising young player.

                            The past 17 winners of that award have graduated onto AFL lists.

                            The 21-year-old had an eye-catching year for the Tigers, averaging 14 disposals, three marks and three tackles from 17 state league outings.

                            Davidson is an elite runner and strong ball-user who can play as a forward or through the midfield. He booted 26 goals for the Tigers, which also saw him finish the season as the club’s leading goalkicker.

                            The Maffra product works hard, is clean with the footy and earned a State Combine invite, which is a good indication of the interest he has at AFL level.

                            AJANG KUOL MUN

                            An exciting tall prospect, Kuol Mun could be anything at AFL level, although clearly he’ll take a bit of time to get there.

                            Kuol Mun is a developing ruckman of South Sudanese descent who has excited recruiters with his natural leap and athleticism.

                            He spent most of his year toiling away for Anakie but got a taste of VFL action with Geelong and showed glimpses of his potential.

                            Kuol Mun recorded a 90cm vertical jump which was the best result in the state Draft Combine.

                            RILEY BICE

                            A dashing rebound defender, Bice’s story is one of persistence.

                            After coming through the Murray Bushrangers, Bice has put together a superb VFL campaign that has once again seen him put his name up in front of AFL recruiters.

                            A VFL Team of the Year member, Bice played in a premiership with Werribee this season and has traits that appeal to clubs at the highest level.

                            In the grand final, the Albury product had 23 disposals, six marks and eight rebound 50s as one of the Bees’ best players.

                            An elite ball user who can pick apart opposition sides, Bice was one of three mature-age players to receive a State Combine invite, which indicates he definitely has admirers.

                            ISIAH WINDER

                            The former Eagle was a late call-up for the State Combine as he comes onto the radar of AFL clubs once more.

                            Winder played with South Fremantle in the WAFL this season, averaging 25.4 disposals, 4.8 marks and four tackles a match.

                            The 22-year-old featured seven times for West Coast during his AFL career and was lively around goals, but he has worked hard on his fitness and conditioning and flourished as a midfielder at state league level.

                            Winder possesses exciting pace, speed and agility and has plenty of football smarts that make him an intriguing prospect for AFL clubs at this year’s Telstra AFL draft.

                            DOM BREW

                            A remarkable season from Werribee captain Dom Brew saw him win the JJ Liston Trophy as the VFL’s best and fairest and end a 31-year drought to deliver the Bees an elusive premiership.

                            The captain of the VFL Team of the Year polled 31 votes for the season, finishing nine ahead of new Port Adelaide recruit Rory Atkins.

                            Brew averaged 28.8 disposals, 17.6 contested possessions, 9.9 clearances and 9.4 tackles in a dominant campaign that saw him poll votes in 14 out of 18 matches.

                            The 27-year-old is one of the hardest workers you’ll find and is so passionate about his teammates and club.

                            He’d leave no stone unturned if given an AFL chance.

                            BRAYDEN CROSSLEY

                            Remember this guy? The former Gold Coast Suns ruckman has a Merv Hughes-like moustache that made him a cult figure back in the day.

                            Crossley played ten games for the Suns after being drafted back in 2017, but his career was put on hold after testing positive to cocaine in 2019.

                            The former under 18 All-Australian ruckman is an imposing figure around the ground and is a co-captain at the Southport Sharks in the VFL.

                            Crossley had 12 disposals, 12 tackles and 69 hitouts in the decider, underlining his dominance in the competition this year.

                            Ready-made rucks are tough to come by and Crossley would definitely grab any opportunity with both hands should an AFL lifeline present itself.

                            LIAM MCMAHON

                            Another familiar name, McMahon was drafted by Collingwood back in 2020.

                            McMahon has the ability to play at either end of the ground but has thrived as a forward this year for Carlton’s VFL side, booting 45 goals to win Carlton’s best and fairest.

                            Does a second chance loom for the former Pie?

                            Talls often take a little bit longer to develop and it seems as though McMahon has the skillset to make an impact at the top level.

                            BOYD WOODCOCK

                            Woodcock was delisted by Port Adelaide at the end of the 2021 season and has been successfully plying his trade in the VFL ever since.

                            A small forward at AFL level, Woodcock booted eight goals in 12 games for the Power.

                            Woodcock led the Southport Sharks to the VFL grand final this season, averaging 28.5 disposals, 7.2 clearances and five inside 50s a game.

                            Woodcock is a human highlight reel, regularly taking high-flying hangers and kicking incredible goals.

                            He’s far better equipped now than what he was when he was on an AFL list.

                            GEORGE GREY

                            One of Frankston VFL’s finest, Grey has been a strong contributor at VFL level for quite some time.

                            The former Sandringham Dragon made the move from half-forward to half back this year under new coach Jackson Kornberg and flourished, being named in the VFL Team of the Year squad.

                            The dashing defender averaged 22 disposals, 5.5 rebound 50s and 4.5 marks this campaign, utilising his pace and ball use to set up forays forward for the Dolphins.

                            His career has been hampered by injuries and the COVID-19 pandemic and those close to him suggest he would thrive in an AFL environment if given an opportunity.

                            LIAM MCBEAN

                            This one’s probably more of a long shot than the others on this list, but Liam McBean reminded everyone of his talents when he booted seven goals on SANFL grand final day.

                            The Glenelg captain played five games for Richmond between 2015-2016 and spearheaded his state league side to back-to-back flags this year.

                            The Jack Oatey Medallist is a force to be reckoned with, but his time at AFL level is probably up, unless a club decides they’re in need of a ready-made key forward replacement…
                            Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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                            • azabob
                              Hall of Fame
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15479

                              #1664
                              Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                              Can anyone recall why Woodcock did not make it at port?

                              Is this the bloke happy days raised as an option when watching from his arm chair?
                              More of an In Bruges guy?

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                              • GVGjr
                                Moderator
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 45508

                                #1665
                                Re: 2024 List Management Thread

                                Originally posted by azabob
                                Can anyone recall why Woodcock did not make it at port?

                                Is this the bloke happy days raised as an option when watching from his arm chair?
                                I remember GoDogs was keen on him as a player. Happy Days was all over Bramble.
                                Western Bulldogs Football Club "Where it's cool to drool"

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