Williamstown vs Collingwood

[LostDoggy]

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I wish Callan could get a game. He hasn't been to bad (from what I gather), and I feel a bit sorry for him.

[LostDoggy]

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I was thinking of going, but the weather report is for a shocker

Sorry I like Rocco & Mofra cannot make it hopefully you can brave the elements Bornadog
Or GVG can have a re think maybe? Last home game it will be great to get a report(s).

Does anyone know if Willy will get a home final if they finish in the top 2?

[GVGjr]

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Sorry I like Rocco & Mofra cannot make it hopefully you can brave the elements Bornadog
Or GVG can have a re think maybe? Last home game it will be great to get a report(s).

I'm still leaning to going to watch games at Oakleigh and then at Sandringham.

[LostDoggy]

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The most upseting thing for me then you see Mulligan, Boumann, Cordy, Shaw, Roughead and Jones all named in the reserves.

Even with a year to go we should have paid him out so at least we doesn't hinder the development of others.

If Wight has been black listed for Bulldogs seniors and only on the list for contract reasons why then play him in the Willi Seniors. Its mind boggling really. Only thing I can see is the kids are exactly that kids and do not have the bodies to play against the men in the seniors at Willi. If that is the case we are most likely not going to see them in the Bulldogs seniors until 2011. Not convinced Grant will make it either.

[GVGjr]

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If Wight has been black listed for Bulldogs seniors and only on the list for contract reasons why then play him in the Willi Seniors. Its mind boggling really. Only thing I can see is the kids are exactly that kids and do not have the bodies to play against the men in the seniors at Willi. If that is the case we are most likely not going to see them in the Bulldogs seniors until 2011. Not convinced Grant will make it either.

Hardly mind boggling. Williamstown have an alliance with the Bulldogs but they are viable and proud club in their own right. The fact is that they are there to win games and Wight has been a solid performer. I don't subscribe to the theory that providing a free passage into the senior side for players that haven't earned it is the right thing for the Bulldogs, Williamstown or the players.

Mulligan - Just back from an extended spell and his form wasn't flash before that.
Boumann - I think he will play and his form has been good enough.
Cordy - I'd play him in the reserves until he can do a bit more.
Shaw - Also back from an injury
Roughead - Struggled with injuries and a bit of form of late but if he is fit he might get a spot.
Jones - Not ready. Let him get a lot of the ball for the reserves.

If you have your doubts about Grant then why aren't you suggesting that they drop him? If you believe that Skipper has been typecast as just a back up then why wouldn't he make room for Roughy and/or Shaw? (the future)
If you believe that O'Keefe won't be played with the Dogs then why not nominate him?
It's just too easy and convenient for people to vent their frustrations on Wight in my opinion.

There is only a set number of Bulldog listed players that can be used on match day and like it or not that is the hand that we have been dealt.

[mighty_west]

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Hardly mind boggling. Williamstown have an alliance with the Bulldogs but they are viable and proud club in their own right. The fact is that they are there to win games and Wight has been a solid performer. I don't subscribe to the theory that providing a free passage into the senior side for players that haven't earned it is the right thing for the Bulldogs, Williamstown or the players.

Mulligan - Just back from an extended spell and his form wasn't flash before that.
Boumann - I think he will play and his form has been good enough.
Cordy - I'd play him in the reserves until he can do a bit more.
Shaw - Also back from an injury
Roughead - Struggled with injuries and a bit of form of late but if he is fit he might get a spot.
Jones - Not ready. Let him get a lot of the ball for the reserves.

If you have your doubts about Grant then why aren't you suggesting that they drop him? If you believe that Skipper has been typecast as just a back up then why wouldn't he make room for Roughy and/or Shaw? (the future)
If you believe that O'Keefe won't be played with the Dogs then why not nominate him?
It's just too easy and convenient for people to vent their frustrations on Wight in my opinion.

There is only a set number of Bulldog listed players that can be used on match day and like it or not that is the hand that we have been dealt.

Well said.

As long as there is an alliance between AFL & VFL clubs, there is always going to have to be some kind of compromise between which players play in the senior side.

That said, if a Bulldogs listed player simply isn't ready to setp up to senior VFL footy, there is no point playing that player, plus if that VFL team is a stong team like Williamstown, wouldn't a successful enviroment also be a major plus for Bulldogs listed players coming through rather than JUST playing all listed players?

It also gives opportunity for VFL listed players to shine and have a shot of being rookied, such with Morris & Picken who were plucked from the Werribee & Willy senior sides.

At the end of the day, Williamstown want to win, and the Bulldogs want development.

[Bornadog]

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Hardly mind boggling. Williamstown have an alliance with the Bulldogs but they are viable and proud club in their own right. The fact is that they are there to win games and Wight has been a solid performer. I don't subscribe to the theory that providing a free passage into the senior side for players that haven't earned it is the right thing for the Bulldogs, Williamstown or the players.

Mulligan - Just back from an extended spell and his form wasn't flash before that.
Boumann - I think he will play and his form has been good enough.
Cordy - I'd play him in the reserves until he can do a bit more.
Shaw - Also back from an injury
Roughead - Struggled with injuries and a bit of form of late but if he is fit he might get a spot.
Jones - Not ready. Let him get a lot of the ball for the reserves.

If you have your doubts about Grant then why aren't you suggesting that they drop him? If you believe that Skipper has been typecast as just a back up then why wouldn't he make room for Roughy and/or Shaw? (the future)
If you believe that O'Keefe won't be played with the Dogs then why not nominate him?
It's just too easy and convenient for people to vent their frustrations on Wight in my opinion.

There is only a set number of Bulldog listed players that can be used on match day and like it or not that is the hand that we have been dealt.

Good summary, Wight gets picked on by doggies supporters way too much.

Wight does have the talent, height etc, but doesn't work no where hard enough to be an AFL player. The club has tried to direct him and coach him, but he just doesn't want to put in the hard yards.

Listening to Nathan Thompson on SEN yesterday, he said there is a very very big gap in the fitness level required between VFL and AFL and thats why the Wights, Skippers, Ockers, and Grants are not in the seniors.

[GVGjr]

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I'm torn between going to the Williamstown game or seeing two TAC games. I really want to see the TAC games but with so many Willy reporters missing in action I'm tempted to have a rethink. Decisions, decisions.

[GVGjr]

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Well said.

As long as there is an alliance between AFL & VFL clubs, there is always going to have to be some kind of compromise between which players play in the senior side.

That said, if a Bulldogs listed player simply isn't ready to setp up to senior VFL footy, there is no point playing that player, plus if that VFL team is a stong team like Williamstown, wouldn't a successful enviroment also be a major plus for Bulldogs listed players coming through rather than JUST playing all listed players?

It also gives opportunity for VFL listed players to shine and have a shot of being rookied, such with Morris & Picken who were plucked from the Werribee & Willy senior sides.

At the end of the day, Williamstown want to win, and the Bulldogs want development

This is the thing. A number of supporters sit back and pat the youngsters on the back on the way they come in and make an impression so the alliance and the competition to get and hold a senior spot in the side is actually working.

Unless we can come up with the extra Million or so that we would need to fund a VFL side and probably more money to upgrade the WO we just have to make do with what we have.

I read a lot of comments early in the season that Cordy should play with the Doggies because Chris Grant also played as a skinny kid which was great in theory but the reality is that as the season wore on Cordy slipped back a fair bit. Eade thought Grant would play a lot of games for the Dogs but he just wasn't ready. Roughy was even being touted by Barnes as being ready. The fact is that the youngsters are struggling at present and a spell in the reserves doesn't do them any harm. Boumann answered the challenge and I expect the others need to follow that example.

[Missing Dog]

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This is the thing. A number of supporters sit back and pat the youngsters on the back on the way they come in and make an impression so the alliance and the competition to get and hold a senior spot in the side is actually working.

Unless we can come up with the extra Million or so that we would need to fund a VFL side and probably more money to upgrade the WO we just have to make do with what we have.

I read a lot of comments early in the season that Cordy should play with the Doggies because Chris Grant also played as a skinny kid which was great in theory but the reality is that as the season wore on Cordy slipped back a fair bit. Eade thought Grant would play a lot of games for the Dogs but he just wasn't ready. Roughy was even being touted by Barnes as being ready. The fact is that the youngsters are struggling at present and a spell in the reserves doesn't do them any harm. Boumann answered the challenge and I expect the others need to follow that example.

Also just as a little side note didn'y Chris get dropped for the last three games in his debut year.

[LostDoggy]

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Hardly mind boggling. Williamstown have an alliance with the Bulldogs but they are viable and proud club in their own right. The fact is that they are there to win games and Wight has been a solid performer. I don't subscribe to the theory that providing a free passage into the senior side for players that haven't earned it is the right thing for the Bulldogs, Williamstown or the players.

Mulligan - Just back from an extended spell and his form wasn't flash before that.
Boumann - I think he will play and his form has been good enough.
Cordy - I'd play him in the reserves until he can do a bit more.
Shaw - Also back from an injury
Roughead - Struggled with injuries and a bit of form of late but if he is fit he might get a spot.
Jones - Not ready. Let him get a lot of the ball for the reserves.

If you have your doubts about Grant then why aren't you suggesting that they drop him? If you believe that Skipper has been typecast as just a back up then why wouldn't he make room for Roughy and/or Shaw? (the future)
If you believe that O'Keefe won't be played with the Dogs then why not nominate him?
It's just too easy and convenient for people to vent their frustrations on Wight in my opinion.

There is only a set number of Bulldog listed players that can be used on match day and like it or not that is the hand that we have been dealt.

Thanks for that makes sense with Wight. I was not attacking Wight and I know he has been a scape goat at times but I was questioning the selection policy. As I said it did not make sense to me unlesss as you alluded to the kids are not ahead of Wight as yet to push him out. I did not even consider the fact that Willi want to win games as I see Willi as our development team. For me I always thought Wight would have been better suited to the Ruck as he is a good athlete and should make a lot of contests. But thats another story. I have no problem with playing the other players as they are either back ups or still developing. Wight clearly has been blacklisted. My thoughts on Grant are only an opinion it is neither wrong nor right.

[comrade]

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Williamstown 4.12 5.14 6.18 8.21 (69)
Northern Bullants 0.1 1.2 2.5 3.6 (24)

GOALS:
Williamstown: Daniels 2 Miller Lee Muir Egan Cravino Nicolopoulos
Northern Bullants: Gale Wannouch Saad

BEST:
Williamstown: Langlands Lynch Cravino Rampe Grossman Daniels
Northern Bullants: Bransgrove Adams Totino Meese Wannouch Neaves


Good to see Lynch in the bests again - he's got a couple of weeks to prove himself.

The seniors are up by almost 10 goals at half time.

[LostDoggy]

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BEST:
Williamstown: Lynch

YAY wooohooo....

[comrade]

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2009 VFL Seniors
Williamstown 4.6 13.7 17.9 21.9 (135)
Collingwood 3.1 4.5 7.9 9.12 (66)

GOALS:
Williamstown: Joyce 4 Galea 4 Little 4 Rose 2 O'Keefe Skipper Stack Gotch Stretton Johnson Grant
Collingwood: Rocca 2 Brown Bennell McCarthy Corrie Cook MacAffer Stanley

BEST:
Williamstown: Jolley Skipper Stretton Joyce O'Keefe Galea
Collingwood: Sidebottom Stanley Bryan Blair Barham Rocca

[bulldogtragic]

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BEST:
Williamstown: O'Keefe

Cue Rocco