Matt Burgans phantom draft

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Christensen and Crichton both near #40 is a bit surprising, and I must say so is Gavin Roberts not being named (excuse my Norwood bias) - but I'd prefer Roberts as a run and carry option with good-great disposal rather than Bollenhagen.

Christensen has always been incredibly overrated on BF and throughout junior circles for a couple of reasons. FWIW I think Burgan's got it right.

I'm going to raise the Majak Daw issue again.

I see Matt Burgin has him going to North.

I'd hate to see him go to North for a variety of reasons, and not just his potential as a footballer.

It's certainly a hot topic, do we pick this guy on based on his ability?, or does his background raise his importance to a club like ours?

Or do we simply pick the best available or required?

I would be astounded if we picked a player based on his background. Isn't the whole idea of a draft to improve your playing list? I'd be very disappointed if we picked him for other incentives.

Daw would be a good choice as a last pick/rookie selection though.

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I’d be happy with a Moore/Griffiths double (though a Jetta/Griffiths combo would be perfect). A pacy line breaker and a tall defender would round out the draft nicely.

Yep - seconded.

I'd be very happy with Moore/Griffiths, and over the moon with a Jetta/Griffiths duo.

[Cyberdoggie]

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I would be astounded if we picked a player based on his background. Isn't the whole idea of a draft to improve your playing list? I'd be very disappointed if we picked him for other incentives.

Daw would be a good choice as a last pick/rookie selection though.

What if it brought with it 2000 new members?

That could equate to approx $400,000 in the coffers.


If it was a smart business decision and a sound draft selection, then i don't have a problem with it.
It's not much different from using pick 30 odd to snare Jason Akermanis. Yes we wanted him as a footballer but a large part of that decision was to help increase membership sales i'm sure.

Anyway take a look at his highlights on Y.T. if you haven't seen them yet. He's got potential, certainly raw in some of his skills but he attacks the ball, loves tackling. Great tap ruckman, has a giant leap, likes to run, is a strong overhead mark and loves putting his body in front of a pack.
Those skills alone can make an afl footballer. Sure we have Cordy and Roughead, but i'm not 100% sure Cordy will ever have the body for a ruckman.

[The Coon Dog]

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I'm going to raise the Majak Daw issue again.

I see Matt Burgin has him going to North.

I'd hate to see him go to North for a variety of reasons, and not just his potential as a footballer.

It's certainly a hot topic, do we pick this guy on based on his ability?, or does his background raise his importance to a club like ours?

Or do we simply pick the best available or required?

How do we get him?

North, as much as you don't like it, are much better placed than us to snare him.

If the Bulldogs — whose heartland the Daws adopted and whose colours the family wore when hosted by the AFL in week two of the finals — are the other most logical suitor, the draft order plays to the Kangaroos' advantage. They have six picks, while the Dogs have only four, and certainly would not use either of their first two. Come the last two, he might already be gone; North's last selection is pick 53.

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What if it brought with it 2000 new members?

That could equate to approx $400,000 in the coffers.


If it was a smart business decision and a sound draft selection, then i don't have a problem with it.
It's not much different from using pick 30 odd to snare Jason Akermanis. Yes we wanted him as a footballer but a large part of that decision was to help increase membership sales i'm sure.

Anyway take a look at his highlights on Y.T. if you haven't seen them yet. He's got potential, certainly raw in some of his skills but he attacks the ball, loves tackling. Great tap ruckman, has a giant leap, likes to run, is a strong overhead mark and loves putting his body in front of a pack.
Those skills alone can make an afl footballer. Sure we have Cordy and Roughead, but i'm not 100% sure Cordy will ever have the body for a ruckman.

Burgans got him at pick 54, going to North. So based on that, if we where to pick him up, then we would have to use our second pick. So if Burgans phantom draft is correct would you prefer someone like Griffiths or Daw.

I personly wouldn't be taking Daw at pick 31 but if he was available with our forth round pick I would consider it, especially when players at that stage are pretty much speculation.

[The Underdog]

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I'm going to raise the Majak Daw issue again.

I see Matt Burgin has him going to North.

I'd hate to see him go to North for a variety of reasons, and not just his potential as a footballer.

It's certainly a hot topic, do we pick this guy on based on his ability?, or does his background raise his importance to a club like ours?

Or do we simply pick the best available or required?

Do we then also pick Temel trying to bring in some of the Turkish community? It's not like the Turks have been overly represented in AFL football.
It makes for a great story but I think picking based on ability is more likely to lead to winning which will create the same publicity and add members as much as picking anyone based on ethnicity.
Of course if Daw or Temel are who the recruiters judge the next most talented player then by all means pick them.

[chef]

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Yep - seconded.

I'd be very happy with Moore/Griffiths, and over the moon with a Jetta/Griffiths duo.

Thirded.

The Moore/Grifiths/Tutt treble would be perfect(not sure about Jetta). Plus maybe a small forward or KPD with our last pick.

[Cyberdoggie]

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Burgans got him at pick 54, going to North. So based on that, if we where to pick him up, then we would have to use our second pick. So if Burgans phantom draft is correct would you prefer someone like Griffiths or Daw.

I personly wouldn't be taking Daw at pick 31 but if he was available with our forth round pick I would consider it, especially when players at that stage are pretty much speculation.

Yeah that is the problem.

Also if we are going for Griffiths there wouldn't be much point in getting Daw.

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Yeah that is the problem.

Also if we are going for Griffiths there wouldn't be much point in getting Daw.

Both are versatile players though. I think there's spot for both on the list if the cards fell that way. With Daw's mobility and agility, he might be an option for a running CHB?

North would be well aware of our interest so it makes sense for them to pick him at 54.

FWIW I saw Daw out a couple of weeks back and he seems a pretty nice kid.

[GVGjr]

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Aren't we doing that already with the promotion of Mulligan off the rookie list?

I think we all hope it works that way but his form on the footy field over the last 2 years makes it just about impossible to know if he can develop into a key defender. He's promotion was more around strategy than form so I think drafting a tall defender wouldn't be a bad thing at all.

[divvydan]

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Christensen was in terrible shape at the draft camp (most skin folds of any attendees). I got shouted down on BigFooty during the year when I suggested that he was carrying too much pudding – now it seems that his weight issues are going to cause him to slide.

He’s talented, no doubt about it, but so was Dean Rioli.

Just looking at an article on him http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfn...219969389.html he says he's lost 7 kilograms since draft camp and has improved his attitude towards his body shape.

Hopefully it's something he can keep working on and get the best out of himself, regardless of where he goes in the draft.

[GVGjr]

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Lets assume that the early part of Burgans draft is close to being accurate and that Moore, JMP and Jetta were also gone when our selection came leaving us with a choice between Lucas, Stevens and Griffiths I wonder if Griffiths would be the guy we would select?

[hujsh]

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For Majak to attract a substantial amount of support from the Sudanese community I'd imagine he'd have to become a good AFL player first. I don't know too much about his ability or how likely he is to make it but if he's a last pick/rookie I imagine the chances are somewhat low.

I also believe that the type of supporter swayed to North because of Majak could be swayed to another team by the next good or great Sudanese player of the generation.

[chef]

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Lets assume that the early part of Burgans draft is close to being accurate and that Moore, JMP and Jetta were also gone when our selection came leaving us with a choice between Lucas, Stevens and Griffiths I wonder if Griffiths would be the guy we would select?

Would you be happy with that GVGjr? I hope we end up with one of Moore, JMP, Sheppard or Jetta.

Would Carlisle be a better choice/fit for us if he's still available?.

[GVGjr]

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Would you be happy with that GVGjr? I hope we end up with one of Moore, JMP, Sheppard or Jetta.

Would Carlisle be a better choice/fit for us if he's still available?.

Griffiths is a difficult one to assess but I think he's a touch risky for a first round pick.
I can however, understand why we might be tempted in selecting him.
I don't mind Carlisle and he is capable of playing both ends of the ground. he was good the times I saw him play during the season.